Optimum noct build

[quote=The Only Exor]Whats up guys, i been playign noct in jungle recently, and im just curious whats the most optimum build out there for him atm, The builds on here are good, im not denying that, I just dont feel that they are top of the top. My builds have been varies to a dime atm, so im curious on your opinions[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]My opinion should be pretty obvious, lol.... There are a lot of ways to build him though. Generally you just get a few DPS items (usually ones with some survivability, like [[Phage]] and [[Wit's End]]) and then try to balance survivability.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I use the same build PsiGuard does, minus the Bloodthirster. It's the same build TheOddOne uses on him.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]The Bloodthirster's a little situational, it's just nice to have some more damage and LS at the end of the build. You could easily swap it for a Maw, Atma's or GA.[/quote]

[quote=The Only Exor]kk, ill give it another roll, ive been focussing on getting mallet early after boots and wriggles, but after that i just go with whats needed, might look at that build again[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=The Only Exor] kk, ill give it another roll, ive been focussing on getting mallet early after boots and wriggles, but after that i just go with whats needed, might look at that build again [/quote] You don't need mallet too early, especially if you're still taking red buff. Wit's gives you much higher DPS. Most early game kills are 90% burst anyway, so the permaslow isn't as necessary, even if you don't have red up.[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd][[berserker's greaves]] or [[mercury's treads]] [[wriggle's lantern]] [[frozen mallet]] [[wit's end]] [[malady]] [[madred's bloodrazor]] Exchangables based on situation: [[atma's impaler]] (armor and more damage) [[force of nature]] (general survivability) [[banshee's veil]] (annoying fed burst mage) [[the black cleaver]] or [[last whisper]] if you have other OH items (enemy team building high armor) just personal thought.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=The Overmyynd] [[berserker's greaves]] or [[mercury's treads]] [[wriggle's lantern]] [[frozen mallet]] [[wit's end]] [[malady]] [[madred's bloodrazor]] Exchangables based on situation: [[atma's impaler]] (armor and more damage) [[force of nature]] (general survivability) [[banshee's veil]] (annoying fed burst mage) [[the black cleaver]] or [[last whisper]] if you have other OH items (enemy team building high armor) just personal thought. [/quote] [[Ninja Tabi]] also work well against teams with high physical damage and/or low CC. I wouldn't rush [[Frozen Mallet]]. Early [[Phage]] should be sufficient for reasons stated above. [[Malady]] is terrible on Nocturne and terrible in general. Never build it. [[Madred's Bloodrazor]] really isn't the best option for DPS. Anyone with enough health to make it worth it will have MR to shut it down. I'm considering removing it as a situational item from my guide. [[Atma's Impaler]] isn't core anymore imo. [[Randuin's Omen]] simply outclasses its effectiveness. You can get damage elsewhere. [[Force of Nature]] isn't necessary. You can get a huge amount of MR without having to resort to spending your gold on a FoN, which is simply terrible on a tanky DPS like Noct. Take a look at my counter-AP build in the Alternative Builds section of my guide if you want an example. TBC and LW are fine, though keep in mind that you don't NEED to build armor pen to be an effective offtank. Simply anti-carrying is often enough. You have an AD carry to take out tanks.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]FoN isn't terrible on Noc. Tanky DPS benefit a lot from FoN. I value Atma about the same as Randuin atm. Agree with the rest though, Psi.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Wrig's / Phage / Hex / Aegis / HoG / Warden's mail are pretty ideal and versatile early game items for Nocturne. Later on, the nice thing is they path very nicely into final items like Fromal, Maw, GA , Randuin's and whatnot. Well rounded, sturdy items that you don't have to wait very long to start building. These are essentially the only items I would recommend on Nocturne. Trinity Force is great too.[/quote]