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Crit Talon: Sword of the Divine Variant

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Vapora's Talon Guide. This is where I found the "Crit Talon" Build.






I got the inspiration from Bjergsen's Zed in LCS Super Week. He went Sword of the Divine, which made his damage burst ridiculous.

As soon as I saw Sword of the Divine on Zed, I realized this item COULD - not necessarily WOULD - work with crit Talon build that Vapora Dark talked about.

See, the example final build is:






However, the idea here is to swap one of the items for Sword of the Divine. This would immensely increase the burst of Talon by a huge amount.

However, my problem is... WHICH ITEM TO REPLACE? Is this item even viable for Talon at all?

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Talks about SotD and gets a build that doesn't include it....


Switch IE for a Bloodthirster and you're good.
And Hydra is situational, too.



Btt.

There's a fundamental difference between Zed and Talon:
  • Zed ultis and spams his spells and then STARTS AUTOHITTING, thx to his Ultimate the dmg from crits multiplies!
  • Talon jumps in, does TWO AUTOHITS AT BEST ultis and jumps out, he only stays as long as needed, normally that means to Rake, Cutthroat in, Diplomacy and Ulti out.

Talon doesn't need AS or Crit. Vapora's build isn't a "Crit" build either, just saying.
Yomuu's is simply a good choice and IE a high dmg item, the crit chance is just a nice add.
Personally a Bloodthirster could help you more then that IE.
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Vapora has a very strict way of playing and he has his reasons. His argument is that that build will provide the maximum burst possible.

However, if i must change an item for Sword of the Divine, i'd probably sell Mobility Boots or Youmuu's Ghostblade.

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Talon is purely an AD Caster.

It works on Zed because he needs to auto-attack before Death Mark activates.

Talon gets 1 crit off from his Q, and that's it. Plus, it has no bonus AD.
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Could work. Depends on whether you need to kill one guy or deal lots of AOE dmg in a game.
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Exchange BC, that item is overnerfed anyway
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bc is good what lol
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DuffTime wrote:

bc is good what lol


Unless getting both, I find Youmuu's to be more versatile in a lot of ways. Besides if you're going a SotD build, you might as well toss the Cleaver because it favours AoE more anyway.
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I already said this on my guide but I'll re-post it here for the sake of discussion.

"Unneeded. In almost every situation in which you want to pop SotD's active, you'd get the kill without the active too anyway. A BT / Black Cleaver will both increase your total damage from crits without having to rely on an active, and increase your AoE damage."

I suppose Duff raises a valid point, SotD increases your single-target burst damage, whereas BT / Cleaver increases your AoE damage. But even then, the person you'd really want dead would have to be so tanky that you couldn't even kill them with BT. 99% of the time, I'd just roll with BT.

Cleaver WAS until very recently good on Talon, but the last nerf on it stopped Talon's Q applying 3 stacks instantly, and due to how quick a Talon with IE + Youmuu's can burst down a squishy enemy, you can probably even burst someone down before you even have a chance to apply the full stacks. BT's better than Cleaver now IMO.

Anyway GMD is correct, if you want to use SotD, chuck out Black Cleaver. If you want a defensive item, Black Cleaver should also be the item you replace it with. ( You can't have a defensive item and SotD in the same build because all other items are too important to replace )

@ TehAsian, Talon can actually get at most 2 crits in a standard Talon burst. Talon can abuse the auto-attack reset on his Q to get off 2 auto-attacks very quickly. That being said though, if you get SotD, you'd do more damage with a 3rd crit than from casting W.

Also, it should be noted that while Zed's kit in general does synergize better with SotD than Talon's, it doesn't precisely make 0 sense on Talon's kit either. Zed's ult increases SotD crits by 50%, Talon's E increases them by 15%. The issue is more the fact that Talon's burst with an IE + Youmuu's tends to be over-kill on an ADC anyway. Giving him 3 free crits is even MORE overkill in terms of single-target burst damage, and also reduces the possible AoE you could have had by taking BT.
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Don't trust what this guy says he never plays Talon

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