Last Whisper + Brutalizer Together!

[quote=Dante Rebellion]but apparently they dont synchronize well... so why get it[/quote]

[quote=Atarios]Thats alittle too much armor pen isnt it? o_o[/quote]

[quote=Summoner]20 ArP from yuumou's is not much. I mean, if they have 100 armor, with last whisper, you're still removing about 52 armor from them, and that's quite a lot. Last whisper helps pantheon in late game to deal massive damage and brut/yuumous helps him dominate early game / use proc to keep shield up in fights.[/quote]

[quote=SinDelta]Brute early for those with no armor and LW mid/late for mid to high armor. It's that simple[/quote]

[quote=Psoreya][quote=Trophycase] last whisper + brutalizer, you penetrate 15 armor with brutalizer and .4(85)=34 armor penetrated by last whisper, so the flat armor penetration you have will reduce the effect of % penetration [/quote] I've been wondering about just exactly this point. Is it written anywhere that they calculate flat and then %? I've not read anywhere wich way arround they do the calculations, in case it were the other way arround it would be 100 armor = 55 armor pen which would be quite OK i guess? In either way I would not keep the brutalizer unless building it into a yumoos[/quote]

[quote=RaNuD][quote=SinDelta] Brute early for those with no armor and LW mid/late for mid to high armor. [/quote] The point is to force armor in their build, and then not getting annoyed by it. But what happens if you sell the Youmuu and then they go glass cannon? Your Last Whisper gets lackluster. I've been wondering for a few months if getting both could be effective for this reason, I guess I'm partially answered. At least, I think it is worth trying in some games, especially if your team has LOTS of magic damage. If you force lots of armor in their builds, you basically won the game for your casters.[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]Armor Penetration and Armor Reduction are the statistics of a Champion which allows them to counter some or all of a target's armor. All champions have 0 base armor penetration but can increase it with items, runes, or abilities for a few champions. Armor penetration and armor reduction are applied in the following order: 1. Percentage Armor Reduction 2. Flat Armor Reduction 3. Flat Armor Penetration 4. Percentage Armor Penetration Read more here: http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/how-the-math-works-atk-spd-crit-cdr-mr-amp-armor-88361#chapter4[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=RaNuD] The point is to force armor in their build, and then not getting annoyed by it. But what happens if you sell the Youmuu and then they go glass cannon? Your Last Whisper gets lackluster. I've been wondering for a few months if getting both could be effective for this reason, I guess I'm partially answered. At least, I think it is worth trying in some games, especially if your team has LOTS of magic damage. If you force lots of armor in their builds, you basically won the game for your casters.[/quote] That forces them to sell items... All good in other words..[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]% Armor Pen reduces the effectiveness of flat Armor Pen. Never get Last Whisper with other Armor Pen items if you can help it. It's just like how you shouldn't keep Sorcerer Shoes if you buy Void Staff. You sell it in for some Ionian Boots or Mercury's Treads. But on a more serious note: Last Whisper is a bad item on most AD champions. The Black Cleaver is far superior because it offers both Attack Damage and Attack Speed on top of ripping through a majority of a target's armor.[/quote]

[quote=RaNuD][quote=JunSupport] But on a more serious note: Last Whisper is a bad item on most AD champions. The Black Cleaver is far superior because it offers both Attack Damage and Attack Speed on top of ripping through a majority of a target's armor. [/quote] I wish I saw Jet's reaction to these sentences. That being said, I rarely ever get Last Whisper, because of Black Cleaver. Up to 31 from runes and masteries + 20 from Youmuu and 45 froms stacks make 96, not to mention someone could have a Stark's. All in all, yeah, I guess Brutalizer + TBC or Brutalizer + Stark's is stronger in 95% cases and above.[/quote]