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Ruby Crystal with jungle Shen.anyway, with the MS changes and the jungle camps buffs i don't think
Nautilus can sustain enough to gank after the first clear.as i said in my first post i have full hp with a pot or two left over as naut, so yeah he can sustain enough to gank after the first clear
you can ignore the boots 3 pots thing i rethought it and its dumb
i have tested the machete 4 red pots and 1 blue pot and its good, instead of having an extra red pot sitting in my inventory being unused i have a blue pot to use when blue runs out (im running 9/21/0 masteries on naut so i dont have the extended blue buffs)
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Or you could use the extra pot in combat like you're supposed to. o.O
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well yeah obviously, but im thinking this could be a possible start with how ive been having an extra pot or two as him even after ganks (most ganks have never gone terribly bad in my experience so i never needed to use that other pot)
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Dill, I'm telling you this now, I play cho'gath jungle, and only use one pot all the clear, but I still buy 5 potions.
Here's my reasoning: Potions are over freaking powered, so the jungle doesn't hurt me? man I bet that cait will, or that vlad will. Sustain is strong, the less time you spend going back, the longer you're getting gold and EXP and the longer you're ganking, so if you have an extra potion, GOOD because this lets you gank much more effectively, take a bigger risk in it, and then gank again!
think about it, what's that mana pot gonna do? give you more mana sustain along with blue? There's a reason 5 HP pots is a start, you don't NEED mana sustain with the first blue. So just get the potion that could save your life in the event of a counter jungle or a gank gone wrong.
Here's my reasoning: Potions are over freaking powered, so the jungle doesn't hurt me? man I bet that cait will, or that vlad will. Sustain is strong, the less time you spend going back, the longer you're getting gold and EXP and the longer you're ganking, so if you have an extra potion, GOOD because this lets you gank much more effectively, take a bigger risk in it, and then gank again!
think about it, what's that mana pot gonna do? give you more mana sustain along with blue? There's a reason 5 HP pots is a start, you don't NEED mana sustain with the first blue. So just get the potion that could save your life in the event of a counter jungle or a gank gone wrong.
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Uh. To the people who are talking about nautilus jungle. He has crazy sustain in the jungle because of the shield and once he hits level 4-5, he doesn't need to recall except to buy (or if he's taken damage from the enemy). I have enough health plus 1-2 potions after the first clear, so I don't know what your doing wrong.
As well, you say "you don't level 2 gank as nautilus?" Thanks kind of a stupid remark because level 2 ganks are very rarely available with nautilus at even gold because people aren't stupid enough. With your hook and a very short snare you aren't going to kill anyone. In fact, if you mess up this gank, you waste a lot of time which will let the enemy jungler get ahead of you.
Sometimes straight up clearing your jungle is the best choice for junglers, and if you ALWAYS do a level 2 gank, your not a very good one.
As well, you say "you don't level 2 gank as nautilus?" Thanks kind of a stupid remark because level 2 ganks are very rarely available with nautilus at even gold because people aren't stupid enough. With your hook and a very short snare you aren't going to kill anyone. In fact, if you mess up this gank, you waste a lot of time which will let the enemy jungler get ahead of you.
Sometimes straight up clearing your jungle is the best choice for junglers, and if you ALWAYS do a level 2 gank, your not a very good one.
Wow I didn't see this thread. I can comfortably say I'm the best Nautilus on Mobafire =P. I started playing him in Diamond 5 and 50 games later I have a 70% win rate and I'm halfway to D1.
I'll lay it all out for you guys:
Runes: I run AS reds, Armor yellows, a combo of MR & Scaling MR blues, Move Speed Quints.
Masteries: I run 9-21-0 if you want to see the exact breakdown, look at my pages.
Skill Order: R > W > E > Q. Do NOT gank without Q, some people get a 2nd point in W at 3 and then start ganking at 4, but I like to gank at 3. A good rule of thumb on every jungler is don't gank before you finish your first clear. If the enemy jungler sees you wasting time in a lane w/out one of your buffs they are going to go take it from you.
Build: My core on Naut is pretty much the same EVERY game, I build Mobility Boots into Ancient Golem into Runic Bulwark into Randuins. I don't really like Locket on Naut because the double shield feels clunky to me. I ask my support to build it. If they have double AD i'll swap mob boots for ninja tabi. Some other items I like are Abyssal Scepter, Frozen Heart, Twin Shadows, Spirit Visage, Warmogs, Sunfire Cape, etc. Most games you wont even finish your core.
Strategy: If you aren't getting blues I like to ONLY use W when I clear camps mid game. It will make sure you always have mana for skirmishes etc. I would NEVER gank pre lvl 3. When I start ganking I like to walk behind people and proc my passive on them then when they flash I use Q to finish the gank. You should ONLY initiate a gank with Q if its vs a squishy and your lane mate has CC. For example, when I gank mid for a lux if I snare someone with Q they are going to explode before all the chain CC wears off so its fine to lead with Q. People at high elo don't miss skill shots on cc'd opponents =P
Fun **** guys, I hope this helps.
I'll lay it all out for you guys:
Runes: I run AS reds, Armor yellows, a combo of MR & Scaling MR blues, Move Speed Quints.
Masteries: I run 9-21-0 if you want to see the exact breakdown, look at my pages.
Skill Order: R > W > E > Q. Do NOT gank without Q, some people get a 2nd point in W at 3 and then start ganking at 4, but I like to gank at 3. A good rule of thumb on every jungler is don't gank before you finish your first clear. If the enemy jungler sees you wasting time in a lane w/out one of your buffs they are going to go take it from you.
Build: My core on Naut is pretty much the same EVERY game, I build Mobility Boots into Ancient Golem into Runic Bulwark into Randuins. I don't really like Locket on Naut because the double shield feels clunky to me. I ask my support to build it. If they have double AD i'll swap mob boots for ninja tabi. Some other items I like are Abyssal Scepter, Frozen Heart, Twin Shadows, Spirit Visage, Warmogs, Sunfire Cape, etc. Most games you wont even finish your core.
Strategy: If you aren't getting blues I like to ONLY use W when I clear camps mid game. It will make sure you always have mana for skirmishes etc. I would NEVER gank pre lvl 3. When I start ganking I like to walk behind people and proc my passive on them then when they flash I use Q to finish the gank. You should ONLY initiate a gank with Q if its vs a squishy and your lane mate has CC. For example, when I gank mid for a lux if I snare someone with Q they are going to explode before all the chain CC wears off so its fine to lead with Q. People at high elo don't miss skill shots on cc'd opponents =P
Fun **** guys, I hope this helps.
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Your not level 2 ganking with Naut? O.O
i don't play naut. he wrote "fisrt clear" hence what i wrote.