7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Vapora Dark]Hey H4x, what do you think about [[diana]] jungle? I think she could become a strong competitive pick soon, simply because she can do similar stuff to [[rengar]].[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Has anyone found a good answer against ryze yet?[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Of course, Nunu doesn't have a Shield, but he has attack speed as a bonus instead. And in terms of Baron Control, yeah... Nunu obviously fills a different support role than Ivern but still a good support role and he can carry [[redemption]] (he can even start with [[hunter's talisman]] + [[rejuvenation bead]] for instant [[redemption]] rush), multiple [[redemption]]s are currently the key to victory. Oh, and [[Nunu]] can obviously delay boots for a really long time as well, letting him pick up the support items even 600 gold earlier. [[nunu]] at this point obviously has lower priority than [[ivern]], but can be picked against him or if [[ivern]] is banned. The answer for [[Ryze]] is, wait for the next rework.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=utopus]Has anyone found a good answer against ryze yet?[/quote] Chemo.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce][quote=H4xDefender]she does not do "well" vs all those picks you mentioned besides ziggs. she loses slowly until her w can clear waves instantly and she doesnt have to lane anymore. sure she doesnt die, but that is not the same as winning. she gives up a ton of mid pressure until her w is strong enough because she doesn't put real threat on the enemy mid until 6. if your plan is to stalemate the lane than sure, shes a great pick. but she doesnt win. that being said shes a bit low. was gonna update this weekend but didnt feel like i could accuracy place champs after lethality changed a bunch of shit around, and then 7.3 dropped so im not sure what ill do yet[/quote] I mean, I feel like in my elo those champs tend to suffocate and fall off much more than morg does if they cant get an early lead, and morg pushes well enough that they cant really roam without being punished for it. So in a way, forcing a stalemate and juggling jungle pressure onto me (cause those lanes, in general, are expected to carry and 'need to be fed') really helps me win later on, where I'mm comfortably farmed and my utility keeps me relevant compared to their sub-optimal state where they'd usually be a lot stronger. But it is just gold V, so it may as well be people being stupid :D[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]100% updating this weekend since 7.4 was a pretty small patch. Lots of champions will get moved.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Updated. Changelog is huge. Top: [[Renekton]] and [[Quinn]] moved to tier 2. [[Kled]], [[Sion]], [[Shen]], and [[Kennen]] moved up in tier 2. [[Cho'Gath]] moved to undecided. Jungle: [[Graves]] and [[Kha'Zix]] moved to tier 1. [[Nocturne]], [[Shaco]], and [[Warwick]] moved to tier 2. [[Hecarim]], [[Vi]], [[Zac]], [[Camille]], [[Rek'Sai]] moved down in Tier 2. [[Shyvana]], [[Sejuani]], [[Skarner]], [[Rammus]], and [[Amumu]] moved to tier 3. Mid: [[Ryze]], [[Syndra]], [[Corki]], and [[Orianna]] moved to tier 2 from tier 1. [[Talon]], [[Zed]], [[Lissandra]], [[Quinn]], [[Lulu]], and [[Jayce]] moved to tier 2 from tier 3. [[Cassiopeia]], [[Taliyah]], [[Katarina]], and [[Ekko]] moved up in tier 2. [[Ahri]] and [[Ziggs]] moved down in tier 2. [[karma]], [[Malzahar]], and [[Yasuo]] moved to tier 3. ADC: [[Varus]] moved to top of tier 1. [[Ashe]] and [[caitlyn]] moved to tier 2 from tier 1. [[Ziggs]], [[Vayne]], [[Jinx]], and [[Cassiopeia]] moved to tier 3 from tier 2. [[Lucian]] and [[Miss Fortune]] moved to tier 2 from tier 3. [[Kalista]] moved down on tier 2. [[Draven]] moved up in tier 3. Support: [[Nami]] moved down in tier 2. [[Lulu]] and [[Soraka]] moved up in tier 2. [[Alistar]] moved to tier 3. New: [[Morgana]] mid added, [[Cho'gath]] moved to undecided.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Hmm, with all the ADC in 2k17 meme, Lethality being broken and immobile ADC's everywhere plus items he never had before to be usefull, why we don't see [[urgot]]? He should be the perfect pick in that situation. He also has an engage.[/quote]

[quote=I want to be a Blitzball]What made [[Lucian]] move to tier 2? Not sure what really changed. Wouldn't most matchups simply outrange him? How is [[Braum]] currently? I know he generally doesn't do that well into range, but wouldn't he do well against a lot of stuff currently ([[Corki]], [[Varus]], [[Jhin]], [[Graves]] etc)? Or is his lane phase not worth it?[/quote]

[quote=Epic Fail Guy]The buffs to fervor are very good with Lucians double up passive, hence making him quite strong. Also lethality does Lucian well as he can go back to his youmoos + blackcleaver build that he did last season which is an overall damage buff.[/quote]