Cho'Gath Build Guide : In Depth Cho'gath Jungle <3 [Updated for 10.18]

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Would aftershock+bone plating be good? I played cho gath jungle as one of my very first champs and when I started I kinda just grabbed some runes off a ****py third party site, just for the sake of having runes, and I used those runes basically for the next few months until I bothered to look up a guide. I've found that aftershock+bone plating is good for a playstyle where you want to invade and harass the enemy jungler a lot. Predator is definitely the better choice for ganking, but with aftershock I would often pressure for scuttles and enemy camps to try and force a fight with the enemy jungler, and if I win, I could come gank without retaliation from the enemy jungler, and when we have lane prio I can get objectives fast and outsmite the enemy jg with smite+ult if they stick around. With bone plating aftershock, my initial combo and burst deals quite a bit of damage, and I take very little damage from their combo thanks to silence, knockup,aftershock's resistance boosts and bone plating, so by the time the initial exchange at scuttle is over, the enemy jungler is almost dead while Im still at full. And once I get R, 1v1ing me early game gets significantly harder for the enemy jungler. There are only a couple of junglers who Ive faced who can 1v1 me effectively, with the only one that hard outscales me being kindred. This playstyle of fcking up the enemy jungler to get lane prio and objectives usually wins me the game. My ganks rarely result in a kill, but it gives me prio, and after that objectives, and the enemy jungler cant retaliate with their own gank because I either killed or almost killed them when I invaded them. I haven't found this strategy of fighting the enemy jgler for objectives instead of ganking anywhere on reddit or anything, so I wanted to know from a pro if this was a ****ty strategy and if I am doing it all wrong and should immediately switch to predator, but I'm not completely sure its a garbage terrible strat because I get loads of s's when making use of it.

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oh yeah, and aftershock has a 20 sec cooldown, so if the initial combo doesn't win me the scuttle 1v1 I can run away, smite something, and come back 20 secs later to do it again.

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That's a perfectly valid strategy, in fact, some junglers are better at it than ganking. They **** up the enemy jungler by invading or fighting as you say.
I haven't been playing jg lately as I started to main and became sort of an OTP, but I can say that your strategy definitely is worth the shot. The only problem I see is that when landing Q and W, the enemy will usually try to escape instead of fighting back, so I don't think is really getting value in 1v1s, so I prefer just to chase better, since I still fight the enemy jungler like you do, maybe I take a little more damage, but that's okay.
Anyways, when I can I will give it a shot and maybe will add another runepage to the guide, thank you for your ideas!:D

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ok thanks!

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Hey there,

You made an application in the guide review thread, so here it is! (sorry, it is a bit late, although you don’t seem to be short on the review supply xD)

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Cheatsheet

Neither jungle nor Cho'Gath are in my area of expertise so it’s hard to say something here (& it also looks pretty good). Doesn’t mean there is nothing to say, I’ll come back to that in the items section :)

Items

Yes. Items. Where did the other sections go? Well I do not have anything to say about their contents (besides spelling & stuff like that, you’ll see that later)…
1. Perhaps I’m just really really dumb, but I only count two items before Stopwatch :(
  I am also not entirely sure what the item order should be (something like jungle item – boots – righteous glory/titanic - situational – stopwatch item – situational)?
2. On the stopwatch item: I think that even when ahead Gargoyle Stoneplate is better than Zhonya's Hourglass. You are supposed to draw the focus of the enemy team and if you are already massively ahead the enemy team will never be able to kill you once you get stoneplate… (not to mention the insane synergy between R and stoneplate)
3. I’d put a header with “Situational items” where the situational items start. On top of that I’d put a “Armor items” somewhere at the armor items to make it more consistent with the MR items. I also really like the layout of the armor items, perhaps you could do the same with the MR items?
4. Is it Titanic Hydra VS Turbo Chemtank (meaning: you get only 1 of the 2)? If then, I would not put them in the core build as the core build consists of the items you want to get in 95% of your games. If this is not the case, it might be worthwhile to explain when to get Turbo Chemtank/ Titanic Hydra if you do not get them second.
5. Now to come back from my note at the cheat sheet… Your items section does not match the cheat sheet imo.
  - My impression from the item section is that stoneplate should be a 4th item and therefore it deserves its own block in the cheat sheet (or at least, it seems to be a very important item so it should always be build).
  - In the items section you list the jungle item, Turbo Chemtank and Titanic Hydra as core items whereas the core items block in the cheat sheet only contains Turbo Chemtank & the jungle item. I’d also make a separate block for the boots in the cheat sheet like you did in the items section.
  - Considering your second item looks to be either Turbo Chemtank or Titanic Hydra I’d make a separate block in the cheat sheet called “second item” containing these two.
Combos
1. Again, no comments here but the remark “If it all goes well, they will die before the silence ends and will go AFK.” Made me laugh xD.
Jungle route
1. At the red side route you mention “Then do the same as before”. I am not certain what you mean by this, I interpret this as: do the same as the blue side route, which means killing gromp. Unfortunately, gromp is botside so you have to walk a marathon to get there, which seems to be rather inefficient to me. I guess it would be better to just go base at this point?
Presentation

The overall presentation is pretty good, the color scheme is good & code is used well. A few remarks:
1. The table of contents might look better if the text was on the left & aligned to the top of the table. This is just my personal opinion, but maybe it’s worth trying it out.
2. Perhaps you could add some vertical space between the Cho'Gath icon and the ability icons in the pros & cons section.
3. Center all 3 video’s in your guide. (at combo’s & the 2 in the advanced strat section)
4. In game (late game) you can put the 1. And 2. In a list by using the following:
  
  Code:
  
  [list=1] [*]Everything you want to say at 1 [*]Everything you want to say at 2 [/list]
Spelling & stuff like that
- About me: The sentence “I have a lot of --- help your team carry” is extremely long. I’d split it up by putting a . between ‘’that doesn’t mean it is troll or weak’’ and “In fact, Cho'Gath jungle is extremely powerful”.
- About me: “I will post updates,and improve my guide ---“. There is a space missing between ‘updates’ and ‘and’. The , before ‘and’ is also not necessary (this happens multiple times throughout the guide, but I’ll only point it out here).
- Pros and cons: “Your ganks depend on you landing your Q” . You can use you/your once here, so either “Your ganks depend on landing your Q” or “Your ganks depend on you landing Q”. This change will also (if I’m correct) decrease the amount of lines & give the two tables the same size.
- Abilities (P): “Recovering 20 hp per unit killed is a lot, specially in camps like raptors or krugs”. Besides a spelling mistake (‘specially’ should be ‘especially’) the meaning of this sentence is slightly confusing. Perhaps you should add “since these camps have a lot of units” after ‘krugs’
- Abilities (Q): “Your main source of CC, which knocks up and also slows champions”. The ‘and’ and ‘also’ kind of mean the same so you can basically delete ‘also’ without changing the meaning of the sentence.
- Abilities (W): “Try to slow enemies with your e before using it, to eliminate the tiny chance of they dodging it, and in teamfights, save it for when the enemy tries to initiate or when they are all together, to follow it with your Q, so they can't Flash away.” I’d change this to: “Try to slow enemies with your e before using it to eliminate the tiny chance of they dodging it. In teamfights, save it for when the enemy tries to initiate or when they are all together, then follow it with your Q so they can't Flash away.”
- Abilities (E): “Also, hitting E resets your autoattack timer, so hit an AA and then hit E for maximum damage.” Usually you “use” abilities rather than “hitting” them (hitting is more used as in, hitting a skilshot). It’s also doesn’t look that nice when you start sentences with “also” as it disrupts the flow of the text. I’d change the sentence to “Using E also resets your autoattack timer, so hit an AA and then use E for maximum damage.”
- Abilities (R): “can stack it indefinitely”. ‘indefinitely’ should probably be ‘infinitely’. The former means ‘for an unlimited or unspecified period of time’ and the latter means ‘to an infinite extent or amount; without limit’.
- Runes (domination, paragraph 2): “Since cho has no gap closers, doesn't benefit from Sudden Impact, and being on the jungle you can't proc Taste of Blood enought to make it worth it, so Cheap Shot it is.” This sentence is a bit too long so here’s my suggestion to split it up & make it a bit more readable: “Since cho has no gap closers, he doesn’t benefit from Sudden Impact. Being in the jungle you can’t proc Taste of Blood ~~enought~~ enough to make it worth it, so Cheap Shot it is.”
- Runes (domination, paragraph 4): I am quite sure the phrase is “HOLY MOLY” rather than “HOLY MOLLY”. Altho HOLY MOLLY sounds quite funny, do with it what you want ;)
- Runes (inspiration, paragraph 1): “I go inspiration because i feel like it is the best option here”. There is an uncapitalized i here.
- Runes (inspiration, paragraph 3): “Other option”-->”Another option”. There is also another uncapitalized i in this paragraph.
- Items (first base): “Always prioritize boots so you can start really ganking”. Not sure if ‘really’ is necessary here, but if you want to keep it it should be ‘really start ganking’.
- Items (armor items): “They clearly have lots of attack damage, and even if their jungle is magic damage-based, it shouldn't matter, so, you will start with Ninja Tabi, your first armor item will be Frozen Heart and then you will wonder: does anybody in my team have grievous wounds ( Aatrox must NOT heal), if yes, build Randuin's Omen, if not, Thornmail.”
  Again, a very long sentence.
  Once again, a suggestion: “They clearly have lots of attack damage and even if their jungle is magic damage-based, it shouldn't matter. You will start with Ninja Tabi, your first armor item will be Frozen Heart. Then you ~~will wonder~~ should ask yourself: does anybody in my team have grievous wounds ( Aatrox must NOT heal)? If yes, build Randuin's Omen, if not, Thornmail.”
- Items (Warmogs): "If your team is ahead, and the enemy team is really balanced ---" I think you mean "If your team is ahead and the enemy team has mixed damage ---" here.
- Combos: “Use Feral Scream to silence them, your Challenging Smite and ~~inmediately~~ immediately hit an autoattack ---“
- Game (first clear): “If you kill him, you can ~~lok~~ look to steal one or two camps before backing.”
- Game (early game): “When you finish your boots and jungle item, decide if you want an ~~aggresive~~aggressive item or a defensive one, ---”. Also the code of Oracle Lens and Control Ward is broken.
- Advanced strats (swapping trinkets): "This is a general jungle strategy a lot of people use, which consists in of going straight for the opposite side top buff --"
- Advanced strats (Super early invade - how to do it): "Start red, then raptors, then ~~inmediately~~ immediately go mid

Looking back, perhaps I was a bit too enthusiastic on the spelling part...

Anyway, that’s it, use what you want & I hope it helps. Feel free to reply if you have any questions/remarks.

Good luck with updating & upgrading your guide and have a nice day!

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Don't worry about being enthusiastic on the spelling part, that's exactly what I was missing in other reviews. English isn't my first language so I always make some mistakes, so THANK YOU, I will correct all of them.
I will also add some of the things you suggest in the items section, I hadn't noticed that I didn't explain correctly when to buy what, so thank you!!

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Magical Rock's Review

Build Change Suggestions

Presentation

These are just my suggestions, and you can take any of the ones you want. Also, thank you for reviewing my guide as well!

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Janitsu's Review

cheatsheet

guide

coding and language

as always, these are just like my opinions, so take them as you wish /shrug

-jani

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Thanks for your comment! I added a lot of the changes you suggested, and replied to some on my FAQ section. I hope you like what I did! Thanks again for your time <3

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You're welcome, and I glad I could've been of service ^^

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10.10 UDATE PLEASE <3 <3

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Ready my boy! <3 I also added a whole new section, so go check it out!

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Ready my boy! <3 I also added a whole new section, so go check it out!

Thanks bby

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Is he good at 1v1 early game? So can I just rush in and kill easily or does it depend on what champion and how fed they are?

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He is good, and you can rush and kill easily, but he's not an 1v1 champion. That means that you have to know the matchups, it depends on the enemy champion.
For example: An enemy , or can easily win an 1v1 because of the sustain or because they can avoid your damage. On the other hand, a or have no way of winning if you fight on the jungle. For ganking is the same, you can't just go and gank the 2/0 enemy darius, even with your toplaner, you have to be careful.
I think cho's strenght relies in the fact that once you have landed your first AA they have no way of escaping you (even more with red buff), so if you are invading and the enemy starts trying to escape instead of fighting, you probably have a kill there (if you land your q obviously). ALso, level 6 is a huge powerspike in your kill potential.
TL DR: Be careful, learn your matchups, and once you're level 6 maybe relax a bit.

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Thanks for the detailed reply, this has helped me a lot and has made me want to start playing jungle and cho again! Thanks!

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Hey bluelunged, here's the review you requested:

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Build

You have Chilling Smite in the summoner spells, but Skirmisher's Sabre in the build. You can change this to just Smite for summoners and put both Stalker's Blade and Skirmisher's Sabre as item options.
Do you rush full boots before finishing Stalker's Blade / Skirmisher's Sabre or Bami's Cinder? That's what it seems like from the way your build is laid out. After reading your items section, it looks like you rush Boots and Bami's Cinder, so Cinder should be earlier in the purchase order for clarity.
Your Core Items list is very long. Including boots, this leaves you with only 1 slot for a situational item. I'm a bit concerned that by the time you get to Titanic Hydra (or even Gargoyle Stoneplate), you might need a different item for that game. For example, against a team with Rumble and Cassiopeia, you'd definitely want Adaptive Helm much earlier than last item. Try to keep Core Items to items you build every single game (like Cinderhulk). You can have a Standard Items set for items you usually build, but replace situationally.
Randuin's Omen seems like it could be included as a situational item for countering teams with multiple crit users.
Adding some Notes to the Consumables would be useful for newer players who aren't sure when to buy them.
I'd love to see more matchups added to the Threats meter. The ones you have are a good start, but there are a lot more junglers that people will commonly run into.
It might be useful to add some information on how to play against some of the jungle matchups in the Threat meter, rather than just stating why they're stronger than Cho. Your Lee Sin and Warwick matchups are a bit more useful than the others since they at least include a little advice.
Cassiopeia isn't really a setup champion. Her range is limited and she's better at capitalizing on other people setting up for her. I'd think someone like Ryze, Twisted Fate or Veigar would fit better as synergies (unless you like Cass for another reason besides setup).
Like with Threats, the Synergies you have are a good start, but there's room for growth here.

Presentation

Not much to talk about here, as your guide is fairly basic, but the templates you're using are effective enough that it isn't mind-numbing to read. The content you have is pretty effectively broken up by formatting or graphics, though my main criticism would be that it's sort of a mishmash of styles and the different sections don't really mesh together well.
The strongest visual aspect of your guide is the reoccuring purple color you use in multiple chapters, which helps unify the guide a little. I think going even further with this might be beneficial. Maybe pick 2 or 3 colors and stick to using those throughout the guide as much as possible.
The spacing for your Inspiration runes is pretty haphazard. You might want to rewrite this section so you can use multiple paragraphs and spread them out in each part of the table/column, or you can try reformatting it so the rune images on the left aren't weirdly separated.
It's a bit difficult to see where the tooltip ends and your ability description begins. The bold text for your description is better than nothing, but it might not be the best option. Try adding some space between tooltip and description, and specially format (using text color and/or italics) the tooltip while leaving your commentary as standard text. It should highlight your commentary (which is the important part of this chapter) more effectively than just bolding all of it.
This is a small thing, but in the abilities chapter, I'd change "Ultimate" to "R" so it better matches the other abilties that are labeled by key. It'll also make your paragraphs line up more cleanly.
Your Items chapter is pretty cramped. The dividers help a lot, but you could still add some spacing around them to give the content a bit more room to breathe.
Like the Items chapter, your Combos chapter could use some extra spacing around the dividers.
In the Game chapter, you need some separation between the first few paragraphs. Since the Early Game section is quite a bit longer than the others, it might be worth moving one or two paragraphs out of the columns/table structure and put them underneath instead, so you don't have as much empty space on the left. Like earlier, the dividers could use some space around them as well to make things less cramped.

Content

I'd take out the bit about 10.8 buffs in your Pros section. Keep it specific to the champion. A lot of your readers won't be playing whatever the high elo meta is.
I'd like to see a more decisive stance on Stalker's Blade versus Skirmisher's Sabre. Either one is strictly better, or there are specific situations when one should be used over the other. You should explain these situations to your readers so they know when to buy each item. If they knew how to make these build decisions themselves, they wouldn't be looking up a guide. If you think one option is pretty much always better, make it more clear in the guide which should be the go-to item. This applies to the Notes in your cheatsheet summoner spells as well as the Summoner Spells chapter.
Out of curiosity, have you tried a page with Arcane Comet or Phase Rush on jungle Cho? I'm wondering if Nimbus Cloak + Hextech Flashtraption could be a substitute for Predator. I haven't tried it myself since I dropped jungle Cho a while ago, but it might be worth looking into.
I'm guessing you're kidding since you said "troll the early game," but I wouldn't offer Magical Footwear as an option since some less knowledgable readers might get confused and actually take it.
In a similar vein, if Guardian Angel is a troll item, don't include it.
Again, if Banshee's Veil isn't a good option, don't include it. Personally I wouldn't buy it on tank Cho since the shield is usually removed really easily before any major spells are used on you. You'd be better off with a Quicksilver Sash against important ults like Nether Grasp or Realm of Death.
You're missing Warmog's Armor in the items section.
The jungle routes are fine but a little simplistic. You might want to explore options that include starting on the top side of the map. CLearing in the opposite direction of strong early game junglers can be really useful since they'll be heading for the opposite scuttle while you clear one for free. Cho isn't very good in duels or skirmishes early, so adapting your early path to avoid the enemy jungler will usually be beneficial to you. Just be sure to ward your bot-side jungle in case the enemy counterjungles after their first buff, so you can respond accordingly and vertical jungle if necessary.
One of your Early Game goals is to "Back and rush boots" after getting 1275 gold. Don't you mean rush Boots and Cinder? It's a bit ambiguous here and could mean upgraded boots.
I'm not sure why you recommend invading the enemy buff after a full 5 camp clear. I can't think of a single jungler who wouldn't have taken both buffs by then. Even junglers that do a similar 5 camp clear and have a slower clear speed than Cho will still finish their buff by the time you walk all the way over to their jungle. If you want to invade, you'll need a faster route.
Tracking the enemy jungler is more relevant in the early game than the mid game. It's also a bit unclear what you'd consider "mid game." Your description makes it sound like post-laning phase (level 11, 3 items) while your bullet points make it sound like just after the first clear. Maybe you need a First Clear section and then an Early Game section after it, before the Mid Game section?
In the Late Game goals, "Protect your backline" and "Peel" are arguably the same thing.

This is what I'd consider a "midrange" guide in terms of depth and quality. You've started getting a bit into the real meaty gameplay stuff and the basic info & formatting is mostly there. Other than some of the visual improvements I suggested in my review, I think the biggest goal I'd recommend focusing on is expanding the depth of information you have to really teach people how to win games as Cho. More information on matchups, team fighting, jungle tracking and post-first-clear pathing would be helpful. Other potential topics you could cover would be more specific ganking tips (like how to set up dives, lane ganks or how to time when to go in) or advice on how best to use s. There's a lot of directions you could go, but overall, more content would be good to see in the future. What you have here is a great start and already has enough info to help new Cho'Gath jungle players get started, but if you keep adding to the guide over time, it could become a really great resource.

Hope you find this review helpful. Good luck with your guide!

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I updated it with the things you suggested! If you have any more comments I'd be glad to read them <3

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Thanks a lot! I'm glad you took the time to review my guide. I took into account your comments and upgraded a lot of the stuff here. I'm not done yet, I plan on adding a couple more things here and there to fullfill everything you said.
Could you review it again after I'm finished?
Again, thanks a lot for your time <3

In Depth Cho'gath Jungle <3 [Updated for 10.18]

In Depth Cho'gath Jungle <3 [Updated for 10.18]

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