A little Shen info

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=DuffTime] [quote=PsiGuard] My point was more this: I can't do a warmogs build, a tanky AP build and a super tank build at the same time. [/quote] Forgot about this statement. Warmogg's, GA, Rylai's, Zhonya's, Abyssal. 4128 HP 214 Armor 169 MR 250 AP Solid tank, nice amount of AP ^^ I'd like to see those number on a build without Warmogg's. :3 [/quote] I'm not a fan of [[Zhonya's Hourglass]], so I'd probably take [[Randuin's Omen]]. 169 MR isn't bad, but it's still a little low for anti-health-shredding purposes. I suppose scaling MR glyphs would help with this a bit. The warmog's-GA combo is something I haven't tried before (at least not directly). I'll have to try this out in-game, it looks like fun.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Scaling MR helps a bit, and to be honest I've been running MR quints in a lot of games as well. Also- 160 MR is fine when you have 4000+ HP, seeing as HP counters burst just as well as MR. Most AP casters are burst type damage. Certain champions have the potential to force you to buy a little more MR, champions like; Cass, Ryze, Karthus, Kogmaw. When the MGC damage is sustained, you'll potentially need more MR. Kogmaw is okay-ish though, the purchase of Frozen heart And/Or Randuin's helps quite a bit. Either way some enemies are going to be able to kill you, and in those games your GA/4k+ HP is what's gonna make you able to tank the fights and win them. And yeah- I wouldn't generally build that AP build either. I just posted it to show that you can get a tanky AP build with Warmogg's. And -almost- be a super tank statistically speaking :3[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]My build still offers the highest utility over all other builds. It has massive cc through the items and you can do you job way better. And you still have enough AP.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]But your build only has 800-900 HP. Far too low for a tank.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Utility > Survival > Damage That is how a tank should be.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]No that's simply not true even at a basic level. Survivability first, everything else second.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Actually, who focus a tank? And with my build, autoattackers, ([[frozen heart]]+[[randuin's omen]]) or nukers ([[force of nature]]+[[abyssal scepter]]) have no real chance. They waste very much dmg onto you. Secondly, a tank normally has to die. Until that happens, he has to give his team as much utillity as possible.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]LOL what are you talkinggg abouttttt, nothing you said there is true. With only 900 + HP ANYBODY has a very good chance to kill you. A good carry could easily kill you. Strong players will be able to kill you so fast you won't even look like a legitimate tank. (Because you're not a legitimate tank) A tank does NOT have to die. Lol. Logic sooooo strong.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, if they kill you, your team can finish them off, because the nuker-carry wasted his combo or the autoattack-carry has taken serious damage through your carries. If you are way to tanky, they never try to deal damage to you... Actually, the AS-Slow at [[Randuin's Omen]] and [[frozen heart]] will hurt the enemy autoattack-carry very much.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]No that's not how it works lol. You have to be a super tank to survive the kinds of carries we're seeing nowadays. If your opponents don't deal scary damage then yeah 900 HP's probably good enough.[/quote]