Today's Morde

[quote=Temzilla][quote=ap00pnugget] [quote=Temzilla] Mordekaiser's hard counter is anything you put into bottom lane. Ranged AD poops on him so hard, and if they have a healer with them? IF that is your whole arguement... IF. Who does Mordekaiser beat 1v1, not bottom lane, who does he beat 1v1? [/quote] If is most of my argument, and I have pro idea of how to do perfect as mord. Who can he 1v1 against? I suppose he could nto beat actual solotops or mids, so in the end I suppose you make a valid point towards that. I doubt he can 1v1 very many people. In bot it depends on who hes against. I would not recommend playing ranked as mord. That would end badly. Have you tried mord 3v3? He can be more effective because a lot of the time it isn't smart to take ranged ad's and supports. You mostly need off-tank champs. Either way I suppose you are correct when saying mord can't 1v1 and can be easily countered in bot. :) [/quote] 3v3 Doesn't exist. We are talking about 5v5, summoners rift. Morde isn't viable at the moment because there are champs who are better the entire game, who fulfill the same role as mordekaiser.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]^ Nuff Said. What do you guys think about [[doran's shield]] on Morde? Worth the investment?[/quote]

[quote=ap00pnugget][quote=Temzilla] 3v3 Doesn't exist. We are talking about 5v5, summoners rift. Morde isn't viable at the moment because there are champs who are better the entire game, who fulfill the same role as mordekaiser. [/quote] And I admitted you were right about that. I was just adding a side note and begin a new conversation about 3v3. I apologize if it felt like I was trying to change the subject.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla]Eh, personally i don't like ANY start where you don't have potions. You won't be in lane long enough to put regrowth to use. You have to bring potions, or you'll just die.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Actually morde/soraka would work pretty well imo :)[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]Morde needing a baby sitter...... ew. I can solo lane with him still just depends on who I'm against. He can't win all the fights he use to.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]If Morde can't win all lanes then he's pretty bad imo :P[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=DuffTime] Morde wasn't THAT great before, he just won lanes and pushed at a break neck pace. Then later he just steals the AD carry when they die. NOW he doesn't win most lanes, because of that he can't push hard, and he still steals the AD carries but it's not enough to merit the selection of Morde, imo :o [/quote] He does still win a lot of lanes actually. It's just a hella of a lot harder to win. Also you aren't really saying now that his nerf made him bad, your just saying he's bad anyways aren't you >.> @ Tem Not quite. It's possible to win your lane against ranged AD, although MUCH MUCH harder and you definitely can't push as hard without wards. I've even beaten a Vayne 1 v 1 top. And no, she wasn't that bad. She hurt like a bitch. He beats Jax, Irelia, Nasus, Lee, Jarvan, Garen, Vlad, Skarner, Mundo, Malphite, Udyr, Talon, Yorick, Wukong, WW and possibly Cho, Olaf and Zilean. He loses to most AP carries. Especially Akali. Akali is a hard counter. And maybe Renekton. AD carries are hard too, but you can win still. You just have to play really conservative, which probably means Morde wasn't the best choice. Morde shines when he's agressive and able to be so.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Nighthawk] He does still win a lot of lanes actually. It's just a hella of a lot harder to win. Also you aren't really saying now that his nerf made him bad, your just saying he's bad anyways aren't you >.> @ Tem Not quite. It's possible to win your lane against ranged AD, although MUCH MUCH harder and you definitely can't push as hard without wards. I've even beaten a Vayne 1 v 1 top. And no, she wasn't that bad. She hurt like a bitch. He beats Jax, Irelia, Nasus, Lee, Jarvan, Garen, Vlad, Skarner, Mundo, Malphite, Udyr, Talon, Yorick, Wukong, WW and possibly Cho, Olaf and Zilean. He loses to most AP carries. Especially Akali. Akali is a hard counter. And maybe Renekton. AD carries are hard too, but you can win still. You just have to play really conservative, which probably means Morde wasn't the best choice. Morde shines when he's aggressive and able to be so. [/quote] No, he doesn't win against [color=#ff0000]Jax, Irelia, Nasus, Lee[/color], Jarvan, [color=#ff0000]Garen[/color], Vlad, Skarner, Mundo, Malphite, [color=#ff0000]Udyr, Talon, Yorick, Wukong[/color], WW, [color=#ff0000]Cho, Olaf, OR Zilean[/color]. He barely beat half of them before his nerf, and now, every single one of them just fight him, and kill him. Some of those suggestions make me think you're just straight up retarded and have never actually played mordekaiser top before. Edit: The ones in red, he is absolutely raped by. Before the patch, he could beat akali if played right. Renekton was someone that he couldn't kill, and couldn't be killed by, and then was better late game than. Both rape the shit out of him now.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Right on that. Played him all the time: release + after every nerf/buff patch. Before the last huge hit he could easily push lanes, but without ulti it was still hard killing somebody before he drops too low and just blue pills. WHAT actually made you that way wasnt great single-target dmg, but moreover your sustainability. Good players could beat a Morde if they kept you away from creeps, there wasnt much what could have beat a decent Morde otherwise. Now: Shield meh, sustainability meh, single-target dmg still meh, Silence/stun wrecks you as bad as before etc. @Nighthawk: Every champ you mentioned has at least a pretty good chance to beat Morde solo top, but most of them will just beat the living shit out of you. Moreover, if they keep you away from creeps while fighting, theyll just roflstomp you. Just that you mention "beats Jax/Irelia/Yorick" e.g. makes me think you have no idea what the heck youre talking about. But on the other hand i still think Morde´s viable in some way. But skipping tankiness to grab a great deal of AP isnt the way imo. Edit: @Nighthawk: Just noticed your built idea wasnt too far off from what Id imagine. (Made this one on spot so dunno if sth missing right now) [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]] (If enemy team´s CC heavy [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Abyssal Scepter]] [[Zhonya's Hourglass]] [[Lich Bane]] [[Guardian Angel]] Maybe I have to switch out sth for [[Will of the Ancients]] since theres no way to easily refresh your health otherwise. (Btw: Guardian Angel same as Zhonya, to withstand focus after ulti)[/quote]