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Lol, he said turds...teehee

I gave you an up vote for ONE reason mainly. The breakdown of turds I will see in battle! I am new to this game and I LOVE Shyv. This is gonna help me so much and I can't wait to try your build. Well written.

Alright, the build has a couple problems (I'm not referring to the guide): (A) You built the Frozen Mallet whoopteedoo, but you didn't build the Atma's Impaler to help out your own damage. It gives you armor too. (B) Definitely, definitely replace Ionic Spark, with Wit's End. (C) Shyvanna, is not meant to be played as an assassin as your first build does. She is meant to be played as a tanky dps. Therefore, keep that in mind when building your items, but I will say Madred's Bloodrazor's is not a good idea. (D) It is a better idea to just build a Wriggles Lantern rather than a Bloodthirster, because it is less expensive, free ward, and some armor that your current build is lacking. Once you consider some of my recommendations go ahead and shoot a PM at me, and I'll up vote. Hope I helped, and have a wonderful day!

Fulundry wrote:



Thanks for the vote, the thing is the really long texts are only in the gameplay sections. I really didn't write that much in the first chapters(the ones about the build), just the basic reasons why I choose the things I choose. I'm really not a fan of those columns that people use, they just make guides longer unnecessarily and make theme a pain to scroll through. I had a lot of things to write anyway and my guide is pretty long as it is. Making it even longer with things like these seemed pointless. Sacrificing information for prettiness is not what I want. Like I said, I have paragraphs and BB codes, I would think that's enough.

About the maxing of the skills, I've come to see it's not really that important, most people tend to max the most damaging skill first, but I tend to take in account the usefulness of the skill also. I put 2 points early in Flame Breath instead of just one because it has the best scaling per level of her basic abilities and it's the only one that will not get any other increase in damage past its maxing point, given the fact it unfortunately scales with AP. Even with the armor shred and the bonus damage it gives to her basic attacks, it's strength lies early-game and I tend on spamming it a lot since Shyvana has no mana. Since I use it basically every time I can, it's nice to have that extra-damage handy. It's the same reason I max it before Twin Bite, because that one just doesn't have the same increase per level that Flame Breath has. True, it is her most damaging skill, but that's because it's AD based and basically a double auto-attack. The difference between lvl 1 and lvl 5 isn't actually that impressive. If it weren't for the movement speed increase that Burnout gives, I would have actually have chosen to max Flame Breath first.

Anyhow, I don't mind getting down-voted as long as it happens for a good reason. For instance, if you would have chosen to down-vote my guide cause of the prioritizing of abilities thing, I would have told you why I disagree in a mannerly fashion and why I do, but wouldn't have gotten as angry as on the other guy...

Ok, the wall of text thing is accurate to some extent (although I wouldn't downvote it just for that). You code pretty well, but sometimes you get a little carried away, and pour all your ideas into one section. Most internet users are quite lazy; you're not doing yourself any favors this way.

Otherwise, it's a pretty solid guide. Your skill order is a bit puzzling; you max Burnout at lv 10 instead of 9, because you put an extra rank into Flame Breath at lv. 9. May seem a bit picky, but lv 9 is where most people max their first skill, while still putting one rank into every other skill, so I think you lose a bit there.

Really though, those are my only complaints. Pretty good guide--still room for expansion, but certainly a +1.

The McDanee wrote:


Oh, God, are u just ******ed? This is the point of a guide, to offer information to the reader... How else if you don't write, you ****tard? Do you even hear yourself? What were you expecting me to do? Fill in the pages with pictures and just write down the build and the runes and masteries pages? I'm sorry, but I am a writer, that's what I do. My guide has BB coding and is well structured in paragraphs, so I really don't see anything wrong with it. How you came to the conclusion that it's "not pleasant to read is beyond me...

Have you even tried reading it and see what I have to say? To see if the information is legit or not? Let me guess, you're from the great country of USA where you kids are so stupid you don't even read anymore. When was the last time you opened a literature book, you uncultivated little prick. Only ******s like to just look at pictures all the time. Are you illiterate or something(and just in case you don't know, "illiterate" means you don't know how to read or write), which I don't think you are, given the fact that you wrote a comment(however short it may be)? In that case, WTF is your problem? You don't like my guide cause it has text, just don't read it, but down-voting me just for that is a sign you're a stupendous IDIOT. I would have talked to you civilized and urge you to reconsider your vote, but you're not even worth that trouble. Minus 3% in my guide rating is a price worth paying for telling the truth in the face of a dumb-*** like you...

You're such a prick you couldn't even get your own signature picture...

Wall of text, not pleasant to read.

Just had to give it a upvote for your answer.

+1

Cowstep wrote:



Thanx for the praise. As for the alternatives you propose, you are not the first one to say these things as you may see. I already gave the reasons why Madred's Bloodrazor, although much more expensive is more beneficial than Atma's Impaler. I also said that I want [Shyvana]] to have mondo attack speed bonus because her basic attack speed is relatively low(lower than Nasus', for God's sake) and she benefits too much off of high attack speed to ignore it. This is the reason I chose Berserker Greaves and deal with CC using Banshee's Veil( a rather elegant solution if I do say so myself). As for Trinity Force, it's way to expensive to get in the same build as Madred's Bloodrazor and Ionic Spark gives 20% more attack speed at a much much lower price. You don't actually need the Sheen effect when you have the combined passives of Ionic Spark and Madred's Bloodrazor, now do you?

Besides, with this kind of approach Shyvana will be extremely hard to counter, seeing how she'll deal almost as much magic damage as physical. Not even tanks will be safe from her(due to Madred's). Without both high magic resistance, as well as armor everyone will be very screwed very fast. Just think about it, making all the changes you imply means giving up 85% of her attack speed. That's huge and it would make Shyvana almost nonfunctional. You just can't build her with just 30% attack speed bonus. Sure, you can get some of it back by using Wit's End instead of Banshee's Veil, but you still won't have enough(IMO at least), and you'll lose some health, making you altogether more fragile. This would force you to use Warmog's Armor instead of Frozen Mallet, leading to additional problems due to the unreliability of the on-hit slow from Trinity Force. This is the exact build I use on Nasus, Irelia, Wukong, Poppy, Riven, Renekton. Thing is, these are all champions that have good crowd control(therefore not to reliant on Frozen Mallet) and/or have instant gap closers. On top of that, they all have better natural attack speeds than her, which means they can do with just a 70% ATS bonus(also unlike her). Shyvana CAN'T. It was very viable back when Stark's Fervor was NOT Zeke's Herald, and it could be used instead of Bloodthirster(****ing idiots at Riot nerfed this one too now). Having high AD and not delivering it fast enough is not answer with Shyvana. I know Burnout does good damage and it scales with AD, but the ration is pretty low(lower than the AP ratio of Sejuani's Northern Winds). Plus, with the right attack speed you'll almost always be keeping it on for the full duration.

The following statement is for EVERYONE that views this guide. Before you start questioning my guide again because of Mercury's Treads and Trinity Force(I've noticed 90% of players consider these must-have's for her), take some time to actually read the guide and you'll there you'll find the reasons on why I don't use them anymore. Or just read the paragraphs above. I cannot explain it better than this...

Nice build, but i personally think Frozen Mallet is best combining Atma's Impaler with it, and i would also choose Mercury's Treads and Trinity Force instead of Ionic Spark.

C'mon, the arrogance thing was more of a joke, have you no sense of humor? Anyhow, I did apologize in advance. Thanx for not down-voting though, if it's necessary I apologize again... Back to the guide, my other build contains Mercury's Treads so feel free to use it. Since you say you can do without a big bonus in ATS, you can exchange Ionic Spark for Trinity Force, Zeke's Herald with Bloodthirster and Frozen Mallet with Warmog's Armor. It's positively the most balanced off-tank build you can come up with and it works on most melee champions. This is the build I present in my new guide and it's on Xin Zhao(check it out if you want). I use it on Irelia, Poppy, Nasus and Renekton and it works great on any of them. It can potentially work even on Jarvan IV and Riven, although I don't think it would be optimal on them. I'll probably use it on Wukong too when I buy him. I'll even give it a go on Fiora(probably still settle on building her carry though). Oh, and on them I actually listened to your advice and built Wriggle's Lantern first to sell it later for Bloodthirster(if case be). It worked great. This building philosophy can work on Shyvana too, but I really am mad that it only gets her attack speed to 1.4, while on the rest it gets over 1.5 .

About the separators and banners, no offense to jhoijhoi and her fans, but really, those just seem like excuses to not actually write things. I'm a writer and it's my passion. Cold hard written facts are what my guides are about, not fancy artwork. Literature is my art, not drawing, so I try to write my guides the same way I'm writing my work in progress novel. Can't blame you if you don't like my writing style, but that means in no way that my guide is ugly or visually displeasing, I have seen other much worse written or others that were published incomplete.