Fiora's Builds

[quote=NoobyPower]I have considered [[trinity force]] at times, although I'm still testing it atm...[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]she doesnt have an easily spammable skill for trinity force to really be worth it. just build pure damage (as she has a huge as steroid, you'd most likely do more damage with a bloodthirster instead of tf.)[/quote]

[quote=omagma]You dont buy Trinity just for the proc. She might be able to use it well, since she can use all the stats that it gives.[/quote]

[quote=PrancingUnicorn][quote=NoobyPower] I personally use Xpecial's build for [[fiora]] and I've altered it a bit to suit myself. Currently it is: [[boots of speed]]/[[cloth armor]] [[wriggle's lantern]] [[doran's blade]] x2 [[mercury's treads]] [[infinity edge]] [[guardian angel]] [[last whisper]] [[phantom dancer]] Sell [[wriggle's lantern]] for [[the bloodthirster]] Its a great mix of defense and offense, and is focussed more on early game damage bulk and later transitioning into defense and utility and extra speed. [/quote] No, you nooblord. We all know that the most effective Fiora build is 5x tiamat and 1 moving really fast boots...dunk boots. DUNK BOOTS. DUNNKKK BOOOTSSSZZZ[/quote]

[quote=RCIX][quote=EVILISLEMONS] I'm actually making a guide based on having [[Trinity Force]] as the core item. My per average game with her ranked is 13:4:7. I am extremely surprised that no one has created a guide with [[Trinity Force]] in mind. [/quote] Because: [list] [*] She can't proc the passive like she needs to for that to be worth it (even if she had the CDs to perma-proc it, Fiora is best using most of her skills in one giant burst of activity) [*] She prefers the reliable slow you get on [[frozen mallet]] [*] She has little use for mana (least mana hungry champ i've played EVER) and AP [/list] And since trinity force only really works out to be worth it if you can squeeze every last drop from all the stats AND the passive... On topic, I think Fiora should be built [i]mostly[/i] glass cannon, with one or maybe two beef items in there since she is a melee carry.[/quote]

[quote=MajorLoL]Least mana hungry? Pssht, spam one group of spells and you'll have barely any mana left, and besides the fact that there's mana on [[Trinity Force]] doesn't mean it's bad for her. [[Fiora]] can use every single stat on [[Trinity Force]]. As for the [[Sheen]] proc: 1.[[Fiora]] is a fighter, meaning if shes in a fight that's over 4 seconds, she'll use [[Sheen]] proc twice. 2.[[Sheen]] proc adds to her maximum burst, adding around 150 damage if you have [[Trinity Force]] built already. 3.[[Fiora]] attacks fast with [[Burst of Speed]], meaning if you're keeping up on somebody running, your bound to proc [[Phage]] 4.She can use ALL the stats on [[Trinity Force]], including AP, because [[Riposte]] has a 100% ap ratio, just adding to your burst should somebody choose to attack you. The build I picked has two items meant for beef and the rest is AD or boots...[/quote]

[quote=RCIX][quote=MajorLoL] Least mana hungry? Pssht, spam one group of spells and you'll have barely any mana left, and besides the fact that there's mana on [[Trinity Force]] doesn't mean it's bad for her. [[Fiora]] can use every single stat on [[Trinity Force]]. As for the [[Sheen]] proc: [/quote] All 3 of her skills are low cost and the cost doesn't increase per level. She has scaling comparable to [[malphite]] for mana and mana regen, but her skills end up costing ~60 less to cast in a combo than Malph's. The only possible way you're burning out your mana is if you're mashing all your buttons as soon as they come off CD every time (or close). I'm not even talking about comparing her to a champion that actually casts spells as a way of life :P [quote=MajorLoL] 1.[[Fiora]] is a fighter, meaning if shes in a fight that's over 4 seconds, she'll use [[Sheen]] proc twice. [/quote] She's a melee AD carry, which translates to something like 8 attacks over those same 4 seconds. [quote=MajorLoL] 2.[[Sheen]] proc adds to her maximum burst, adding around 150 damage if you have [[Trinity Force]] built already. [/quote] Why are you trying to burst on a sustained damage character? In those 4 seconds from the previous point, you could easily get twice the amount of damage by replacing it with a [[last whisper]] or [[the bloodthirster]] or something. [quote=MajorLoL] 3.[[Fiora]] attacks fast with [[Burst of Speed]], meaning if you're keeping up on somebody running, your bound to proc [[Phage]] [/quote] Still not [i]guaranteed[/i]. [quote=MajorLoL] 4.She can use ALL the stats on [[Trinity Force]], including AP, because [[Riposte]] has a 100% ap ratio, just adding to your burst should somebody choose to attack you. [/quote] That's the key right there, should someone choose to attack you. Riposte is very easy to bait and the damage simply isn't reliable. I'm not saying there's any ONE item that replaces it (no item can do that :P) but a frozen mallet + damage (and/or phantom dancer) is all Fiora really needs.[/quote]

[quote=MajorLoL]All she needs....... but she can get more with [[Trinity Force]]. It simply gives more damage, and if you have alot of attack speed it's basically guaranteed. Either way you get more from [[Trinity Force]]. You keep saying different items to replace it, when you can easily just lose another item. When I included the part about [[Riposte]] I meant that she uses that stat in some way, validating it's usefulness. [[Trinity Force]] gives damage and utility together, something all 3 items you said don't have both of, making it more reliable on anybody that uses AD. The word duelist is literally in her name, and she excels at 1v1ing people, meaning she's a fighter. If you're in a fight you should be using all your abilities as soon as they're off CD, meaning it is easy to run out of mana... There's nothing wrong with having more than what you need. All [[Talon]] needs is 6 [[The Bloodthirster]]s, but that's not the highest amount of DPS possible.[/quote]

[quote=RCIX]I'll mathcraft it for you in a bit (playing right now). I'm quite confident it works out to lower damage though. (Also, anyone who cares about DPS on talon is doin it rong, an assassin's job isn't sustained damage. The lack of people who know about this though explains my talon guide rating =/)[/quote]

[quote=RCIX]Here's the mathcraft! Ok, so let's take a sample situation of Fiora attacking 12 times (through Burst of Speed), using both Lunge casts, and getting damage reflection of Riposte on the target. We're comparing Trinity force to IMO a viable alternate item set: Bloodthirster and the components of a Phage. Costing slightly less (at 3890, trinity is 4070), you get: 75-115 damage (depending on stacks); we'll assume 95 damage for the purposes of this mathcraft 15-25% lifesteal (depending on stacks); again, we'll assume 20% lifesteal for the purposes of this mathcraft 180 health The relevant stats you get from a trinity: 30 AP 30 AD 15% critical strike chance 250 health the phage/sheen procs It's reasonable to say you get 2 trinity force procs over such a period of time. Assuming fiora is level 13, with level 5 Riposte, Level 5 Burst of Speed, and level 1 Lunge, the numbers for the trinity force are: 260(+30) + 12 autos (124.7 damage per AA) * 1.15 for critical strike + 80 (+36), + 2 trinity force procs of 142.05 each = 2341.96 total [the *1.15 is a shortcut for calculating critical strike bonuses :P] Compared to the specced alternate option: 260(+0) + 12 autos (184.7 total damage) + 80(+114) = 2670.4 total damage So in a bare-bones, just trinity versus the for-gold cost of some other items, the trinity loses slightly for damage output. Moreover, trinity scales horribly compared to, say, a Bloodthirster (given you're a melee AD carry, 100 extra AD lategame is tons more valuable since A: it can crit, and B: your AS is way, waaaay over 0.5 to get more effectiveness out of it than the procs). It also doesn't offer the guaranteed stickiness or heavy toughness of a Frozen Mallet or the scaling with crit of a Phantom Dancer. Finally, it doen't offer lifesteal. I'm not gonna mathcraft the sheer number of possibilities you could replace a trinity force with (bt+phantom dancer come to mind, for one, could also do a bunch involving frozen mallet), but this is a fairly strong example for why you wouldn't want a Trinity. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'd like to get back to my [s]book[/s] guide for Fiora. They don't write themselves you know![/quote]