Wukong: Questions Concerning Build, Runes,...

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=lifebaka] [quote=BusDriver210] How well does [color=#ff0000]Armorpen[/color] work with [[Crushing blow]]? Does mixing flat pen with his percentage work well? [/quote] That's actually armor [i]reduction[/i], which is calculated before penetration. When Wu uses Crushing Blow, the enemy's armor will be reduced by 30%, and then his penetrations act upon this new armor value. This means that Crushing Bow increases the value of armor penetration, whether that penetration is flat or percentage. [/quote] It decreases the value of percent armor pen honestly. You're penn-ing less and you lose a large chunk of the damage. :P[/quote]

[quote=Ferrick][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=lifebaka] [quote=BusDriver210] How well does [color=#ff0000]Armorpen[/color] work with [[Crushing blow]]? Does mixing flat pen with his percentage work well? [/quote] That's actually armor [i]reduction[/i], which is calculated before penetration. When Wu uses Crushing Blow, the enemy's armor will be reduced by 30%, and then his penetrations act upon this new armor value. This means that Crushing Bow increases the value of armor penetration, whether that penetration is flat or percentage. [/quote] It decreases the value of percent armor pen honestly. You're penn-ing less and you lose a large chunk of the damage. :P [/quote] So then with Q your better off with AD runes?[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Ferrick] [quote=Lugignaf] [quote=lifebaka] [quote=BusDriver210] How well does [color=#ff0000]Armorpen[/color] work with [[Crushing blow]]? Does mixing flat pen with his percentage work well? [/quote] That's actually armor [i]reduction[/i], which is calculated before penetration. When Wu uses Crushing Blow, the enemy's armor will be reduced by 30%, and then his penetrations act upon this new armor value. This means that Crushing Bow increases the value of armor penetration, whether that penetration is flat or percentage. [/quote] It decreases the value of percent armor pen honestly. You're penn-ing less and you lose a large chunk of the damage. :P [/quote] So then with Q your better off with AD runes? [/quote] Only way to get percent armor pen is from last whisper or masteries. [b]Flat[/b] armor pen runes on the other hand are fine.[/quote]

[quote=Chaotic Bliss]I prefer to play the monkey as an Offtank. I like a mix of ArP Marks, AD Quints, Flat armor Seals, and Flat MR quints. I take [[exhaust]] and [[ghost]] with improvement in both. This helps with chasing and escapes. Being able to use ghost as you [[decoy]] is always fun. Items I take [[youmuu's ghostblade]], [[mercury's treads]], [[randuin's omen]], [[trinity force]], [[wit's end]] and [[quicksilver sash]] or [[force of nature]]... Depending on the amount of CC on the enemy team. I take the MR items, since he gains more armor for every nearby enemy champ. I get so much tankiness and dmg out of this, its amazing. With the tankiness and his ult, I love starting team fights. The only thing thats as much fun as starting them, is how I start them. A WILD WUKONG HAS APPEARED!![/quote]

[quote=Ferrick][quote=Chaotic Bliss] I prefer to play the monkey as an Offtank. I like a mix of ArP Marks, AD Quints, Flat armor Seals, and Flat MR quints. I take [[exhaust]] and [[ghost]] with improvement in both. This helps with chasing and escapes. Being able to use ghost as you [[decoy]] is always fun. Items I take [[youmuu's ghostblade]], [[mercury's treads]], [[randuin's omen]], [[trinity force]], [[wit's end]] and [[quicksilver sash]] or [[force of nature]]... Depending on the amount of CC on the enemy team. I take the MR items, since he gains more armor for every nearby enemy champ. I get so much tankiness and dmg out of this, its amazing. With the tankiness and his ult, I love starting team fights. The only thing thats as much fun as starting them, is how I start them. A WILD WUKONG HAS APPEARED!! [/quote] Hmmm, going to have to try this out. What do you begin with boots and 3 health pots? Also, this is an expensive build so where do you concentrate, i.e. rush? Thanks![/quote]

[quote=Chaotic Bliss]I start with [[doran's blade]]. Its a good item for me. As for the cost of this, I rush the gold items, [[avarice blade]] and [[heart of gold]]. Now assuming that you get the farm, kills, and assists gold, these items make things a lil cheaper. I prefer to sit on my gold items as long as I can, while still picking up the utility items I need ([[the brutalizer]], [[sheen]], [[zeal]], [[warden's mail]], etc). But I get them according to the current flow of the game. If Im doing well: [[zeal]] and [[sheen]] If Im doing ok, but I need more dmg: [[sheen]] and [[the brutalizer]] Need tankiness: [[warden's mail]] and [[phage]] The combos of what is needed is too big for me to go into details. But, I do make my boots as soon as I can, or if I dont have the coin to buy other items. If I 'need' to rush anything, its [[youmuu's ghostblade]] and [[randuin's omen]]. I usually get them after my [[sheen]]. And of course you build accordingly after those items. Oh I have [[mercury's treads]] along with those items. And since the patch, the new item looks promising as that last MR item. I would suggest making [[Hexdrinker]] early after the gold items if you can see that the enemy's mages are going to be an issue. But I still stand by [[quicksilver sash]] and [[force of nature]] as possible last slot MR items. [[quicksilver sash]] for heavy CC teams [[force of nature]] if you need more tankiness Maw of Malmortius if you want tankiness and the utility of the mage bubble. But what ever the case maybe, I just hope you have a much fun with this as I do.[/quote]

[quote=Ferrick]Wow! Thanks for the in-depth response. Last question that concerns mastery page for Wukong as you play him: 21/9/0 or 9/21/0? I do find him fun and is fast becoming my favorite champ. By the way, as a side note, I played him a few times laning with Karma; yeah Karma. Great combo especially since the Karma player DID NOT play her assupport but AP mage with support as a secondary. We owned against Tryndamyre and Gangplank. I can now understand why Karma players fear Riot's reworking. She is a great, very unique champ that takes time to learn and shines as an AP mage.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]^ True story Karma works well with champions that have a dash-to as it makes great use of the damage on spirit bond and easily wins trades as it helps you escape too. Another thing Chaotic forgot to mention. QSS isn't only for heavy CC. It's also for removing game-changing de-buffs. [[Children of the grave]], [[Hemoplague]], [[Chum the waters]] are all good uses for QSS along with [[event horizon]]. [[Force of nature]] is a lot more situational than he makes it sound. The HP5 that you're getting from it is almost negligible unless they have a heavy, heavy poke comp. I.E. [[Ezreal]], [[Nidalee]], [[Kog'maw]], etc. The MR is still great though and no other MR item surpasses it in terms of numbers.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Full AD. Go hard or Go home. I'm serious by the way, my team runs Wukong in most of our games.[/quote]

[quote=Chaotic Bliss]Lol Duff I like the Movement on FoN. Combined with Triforce, its a lot of fun. I like to play him 8/22/0 I take [[summoner's wrath]], [[brute force]], and [[alacrity]] in offense. In defense I get all the tanky things, armor, MR, HP, reduced AoE dmg, all that fun stuff, but the point I dont put in the offense for % ArP, I put in lowered turret armor. It doesnt seem like much, but when you have two or more ppl pushing a lane, you can tell. But make sure that you get the movement buff while above 70% HP. Makes getting around a lil easier.[/quote]