Item Upgrade Ideas for Chalice of Harmony,...

[quote=Jpikachu1999]Good point, it's just that I put it a little high because of it's price. It's higher than [[The Bloodthirster]], so I wanted stats to make it an actual viable option. I'll lower them.[/quote]

[quote=Somalie]For the manipulator of valor, the hp+mana given should be scaling (even if being weaker earlier). Scaling on the support lvl or on the mate lvl. Either brut number (30 60 90 bla bla bla) or % or the mate HP/mana. Problem with brut numer is that they are useless with Ryze or Shen as mate (yeah give me 200 of that trololol I have 4k of it) Problem with % is the extreme values, such as Ryze for the mana or warmogg + hp item for HP, the same 10% could be way too low on a AD carry and way too much on a tanky monster. Or both :D. x, x+y, x+2y, x+3y and 1%, 2%, 3%. % stat could evolve every 2 or 3 lvl, or gain 0.5 ... You have the choice, have a good formula for that kind of item is hard. And Btw, do we need late game upgrade for every item that was considered as "early-mid game" item ? By adding a good upgrade on such item, you destroy the choice between buying a good item that will fall later, or having a good late game item. That's the logic of Doran item.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]Thanks for replying! I'll look into tweaking the Manipulator of Valor. Do we need an upgrade for every item? Not really. Does [[Bilgewater Cutlass]] need another upgrade? Not really, but, unless you're fed or a hybrid character, you don't buy [[Hextech Gunblade]]. As with my other item upgrade ideas (you can find it down this section of the forums a little bit), I wanted to create more items that are pretty expensive, but can make you make the decision between them and say, [[The Bloodthirster]], [[Infinity Edge]], [[The Black Cleaver]], etc. There really isn't much difference between the different ADs and their builds. Does [[Chalice of Harmony]] need an upgrade? I think so. It's rarely ever used, for the simple fact it gives no AP, and [[Doran's Ring]]s can alleviate mana regen problems. I just feel like very few characters can use it really well, [[Galio]], [[Anivia]], and [[Swain]] come to mind. Even then, [[Anivia]] and [[Swain]] pretty much don't use it either. [[Mana Manipulator]], [[Mana manipulator]]. This one was a hard choice, but I chose this one for a reason. Most people will agree that [[Soul Shroud]] is a pretty sub optimal support item. All it gives is a ton of health and CDR, some slight mana regen. In fact, it's not really worth the gold, considering that [[Shurelya's Reverie]] and [[Heart of Gold]] are necessary. Supports don't get that much gold as it is, they can't really afford to waste money, which is why that losing an [[Oracle's Elixir]] on a support is more crippling than anyone else. The mana regen aura is a good aura in my opinion. However, the lack of a good upgrade turns people away from it. Now, for the Manipulator of Valor. Originally, the price was around 1600, and was made up only of [[Mana Manipulator]] and [[Emblem of Valor]]. I then figured that it was too powerful for it's cost, and added a [[Philosopher's Stone]] in there, added 5 regen to it's stats, and 50 restoration on it's active. I also upped it's cost by around 1000~ gold. I felt that it made it more balanced overall, and gave you the option to buy [[Shurelya's Reverie]] with your [[Philosopher's Stone]], or a Manipulator of Valor. This would pose a very interesting question to supports, as to which one they would rather get. Of course, they can get both, but it would cost quite a chunk of money. Now, here's my idea, and I would like to know your opinion on it. Unique Active: Restores health and mana equal to the greater of these 2 values (averages stats to decide) 3/4/5/6% or 70/120/170/220. Might need some rewording, but basicly, either 3/4/5/6% of health and mana restored, or 70/120/170/220. Increments at level 1, 6, 11, 16. Even though it's impossible to get at level 1, it's still what I decided as increments. Still open to suggestions. I'm assuming with your last statement you mean [[Chalice of Harmony]] upgrades? Doran's items are extremely cost efficient, until around 2500+ items, I don't think there are any items that are super cost efficient. Not sure, but I think it's around there. [[Chalice Of Harmony]], is not like that. It technically scales with mana regeneration. However, [b]almost[/b] all other roles except for mid can't really use it, or need other more important items. Mid needs important items as well, but I think that with an upgrade to [[Chalice of Harmony]], it allows for people to play more mana heavy champions with more ease.[/quote]

[quote=Shizukani]Creative names lol[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]I know, I have the best names ever :P If anyone has suggestions for names, go ahead and say them.[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi][quote=Jpikachu1999] 1st Idea for [[Chalice of Harmony]]'s upgrade Locket of Harmony: Gold Cost: 2400 Recipe items: [[Chalice of Harmony]] + [[Fiendish Codex]] Recipe Price: 500 Stats: 40 MR, 15% CDR, 20 Mana regeneration, 40 AP Unique Passive: For every 1% mana you are missing, you gain 1% more mana regeneration Unique Passive: For every 1% mana you are missing, you gain .5 MR[/quote] haha! Congrats on "creating" an item before it came out![/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]interesting.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999][quote=jhoijhoi] [quote=Jpikachu1999] 1st Idea for [[Chalice of Harmony]]'s upgrade Locket of Harmony: Gold Cost: 2400 Recipe items: [[Chalice of Harmony]] + [[Fiendish Codex]] Recipe Price: 500 Stats: 40 MR, 15% CDR, 20 Mana regeneration, 40 AP Unique Passive: For every 1% mana you are missing, you gain 1% more mana regeneration Unique Passive: For every 1% mana you are missing, you gain .5 MR[/quote] haha! Congrats on "creating" an item before it came out! [/quote] Uh, I did? EDIT: I just saw the "unofficial" patch notes. I went "OMG WTF ASNIKGNAIGNIOANAONMGNOAPN". :3[/quote]