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It's all dependent on the champion matchup.
Talon is good mid against slow squishy APS.
Panth is too
Riven, Tryn, Irelia, Jarvan, Wukong have all been placed mid before to counter specific champions.
It's not "OH NEW META MELEE AD'S COUNTER RANGED AP"
Certain champs counter other champs.
Talon is good mid against slow squishy APS.
Panth is too
Riven, Tryn, Irelia, Jarvan, Wukong have all been placed mid before to counter specific champions.
It's not "OH NEW META MELEE AD'S COUNTER RANGED AP"
Certain champs counter other champs.
b3astliness wrote:
Because they are ranged dps is why they get shut down, basically they do a small amount of damage in the short time u gap close and do sever damage to them. IF it was nuke however it would be farm more challenging. Im not saying mid lane gap closer for every mid, but all those caster dps like cass, fizz, swain, malz , and much more
LoL no not "all" of them Gragas is a melee caster. but he has an AoE attack speed debuff, and a spell that grants him additional damage reduction, he is more of a burst mage. I'm starting to think YOU really DON'T know what you're talking about.

Especially vs. really squishy AP's like

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Well ANY person can go mid if they have a close gapper, and do fine. For example,
Akali at 6, just wreaks people. If you play passively, and just harass with Q, it works out fine. Or Kassidan if you just harass with Q, and just play passively at 6 you just wreak people. But really, those champions are AP, not AD. The only Mid i think is viable that is AD is
Talon. I haven't seen pantheon mid so I can't say.


JEFFY40HANDS wrote:
LoL no not "all" of them Gragas is a melee caster. but he has an AoE attack speed debuff, and a spell that grants him additional damage reduction, he is more of a burst mage. I'm starting to think YOU really DON'T know what you're talking about.
You said it yourself hes a burst mage not a caster dps. AS for the trading concern he doesn't have an aoe attack speed debuff just a damage reduction spell so he can trade perfectly fine and come out on top in most situations.

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So the answer to your question? There really isn't one. Some can be fantastic while others can be pretty much useless. It's up to you to decide if you're going top or mid, and see if you can choose someone that handles one or both of these champions well.

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Fizz dropped off because he's too easily beaten mid by ranged APs and DPS casters like Cass or Ryze.
Fizz is a strong counter to Vlad though because of the grievous wounds+ %health DoT he can apply.
As well....Sending a melee AD mid is just asking for them to get zoned/harassed/killed.
If someone wants to go Talon mid, he can "do well" but overall I find him to be all hype as a "mid counter" Cass/Ryze/Gragas all easily shut him down. Overall the concept is there but Talon's kit doesn't allow for him to really trade at all.
Because they are ranged dps is why they get shut down, basically they do a small amount of damage in the short time u gap close and do sever damage to them. IF it was nuke however it would be farm more challenging. Im not saying mid lane gap closer for every mid, but all those caster dps like cass, fizz, swain, malz , and much more