How much AP can you start with?

[quote=Noob Patti]Well i was thinking about how to start with 73 AP :o I nearly got full Rune book and i got the materies but i only start with 63 AP Help!! I want to know how to get more.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Playing Galio should help a lot. I've once seen someone get around 80 ap (or even more, I don't know the exact numbers anymore) with some good runes. If you like to use soraka too, you can get even more (thanks to her passive)[/quote]

[quote=Noob Patti]Okay so i need runes and masteries but still i dont Think that galio or soraka gives mé 15 ap to reach 80 when im at 65 right now :i but i Can try a game A's galio and soraka lager and see[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Play Karma, [[Inner Flame]]. :P[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Don't forget your Magic Penenet Marks, stacking AP without MPen is kind of a waste since MResistance will shrug off a nice amount of damage.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=FalseoGod] Don't forget your Magic Penenet Marks, stacking AP without MPen is kind of a waste since MResistance will shrug off a nice amount of damage. [/quote] Magic Pen marks become useless once you get a [[void staff]] anyway.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=FalseoGod] Don't forget your Magic Penenet Marks, stacking AP without MPen is kind of a waste since MResistance will shrug off a nice amount of damage. [/quote] Magic Pen marks become useless once you get a [[void staff]] anyway. [/quote] Most runes are for your early game anyway. --//-- Edit: refer to The Overmyynd's thread on [[Void staff]][/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]Well with most champions, this would be what they can get: [[Mental Force]] = 4 [[Blast]] = 1 [[Greater Mark of Potency]] x9 = 5,31 [[Greater Seal of Potency]] x9 = 5,31 [[Greater Glyph of Potency]] x9 = 10,71 [[Greater Quintessence of Potency]] x3 = 14,85 [rule] 61,18 AP, [[Archmage]] giving 5 % (~3,06) extra so 64,23 AP is the maximum you can start with. Not that this is wise, at all xD I'm too lazy to do math for [[Galio]] and [[Vladimir]], you would first have to calculate whether MR or HP stuff is better instead of AP. And also add masteries that can be taken (for [[Galio]] [[Resistance]] is nice while for [[Vlad]] you would even have to calculate whether offense or defense tree would give more AP...)[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=FalseoGod] [quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=FalseoGod] Don't forget your Magic Penenet Marks, stacking AP without MPen is kind of a waste since MResistance will shrug off a nice amount of damage. [/quote] Magic Pen marks become useless once you get a [[void staff]] anyway. [/quote] Most runes are for your early game anyway. --//-- Edit: refer to The Overmyynd's thread on [[Void staff]] [/quote] Doesn't take long at all to farm up to a [[sorcerer's shoes]] tbh. And what I mean is, say your enemy has 120 magic resist. How much MR you're penetrating [[void staff]] with x9 [[greater mark of insight]]s and [[sorcerer's shoes]]: 120 - 8.5 - 20 / 100 * 40 = 36.6 MR. Now with just [[void staff]]: 120 / 100 * 40 = 48 MR. With [[Sorcerer's Shoes]] and [[Greater Mark of Insight]] you get 28.5 total Magic Pen, but when you get [[void staff]], in this particular example, you lose 12 magic pen in total. So in the end, you're getting nearly as much Magic Pen from [[void staff]] on its own as you are from [[sorcerer's shoes]], [[greater mark of insight]] and [[void staff]], making your boots and marks almost a complete waste later on in the game. By the end of the game you're gaining more benefit from flat AP marks than you are from flat Magic Pen marks. I know Magic Pen is better early-game than flat AP, I'm just pointing out that it does end up being a small bit of a waste later on in the game if you take [[void staff]]. And [[sorcerer's shoes]] are bought and kept throughout the whole game by pretty much every AP carry, when they could just sell the [[sorcerer's shoes]] and buy [[Mercury's treads]] instead after they'd bought [[void staff]], and still have near enough the same amount of Magic Pen. Btw I wasn't taking into account the 10% magic pen from [[arcane knowledge]], so you actually lose more Magic Pen than what I said.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]You think 5,31 AP is going to make a difference by the time you bought [[void staff]] even with [[rabadon's deathcap]] in the picture?[/quote]