7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=FalseoGod][[zyra]] is so strong against the top pick supports she should be at least low tier 2. She + poke adc can wear down a [[nami]] lane easily and she can ult to counter nami's ult engage. Swain is at least tier 3 midlane, he's still good against various picks, slightly weaker now, because long range mages are the thing again (Xer, Syndra, Ori) Caitlyn tier 3 doesn't look right.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Finally got some time to look at the video. The Tier 3 ADCs are all strongly playable, but are just outclassed by tier 1-2. The additional tiers seem to make people confused, but that's just because he goes into so much detail. The unmentioned [[zyra]] is curious for me also. I'd think of her as a weaker [[nami]] in terms of utility, but she's still really good, so minimum tier 2 for me. I think [[jinx]] is worthy of a tier 2 mention, because of how much of an easier mid-game she has compared to, say, [[tristana]]. I also think [[wukong]] is stronger than [[nocturne]] and that the two should swap places. In addition, [[wukong]] shares an insane amount of synergy with [[yasuo]], who he placed Tier 1 mid.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Is this a soloqueue tier list? Also [[Nocturne]] has been a more common pick in competitive (situational) outside of Wukong's short time in the spotlight. No competitive team seems to play Wukong anymore. Either way I'd say they're pretty close.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]It seems to be a mixture of both. He list some things as fine for soloqueue but also refers constantly to competitive play.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=sirell][embed=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXFsx1i_D50] This is the whole video from lastshadow. He does sometimes go into particular detail, but it's good because it's for everyone. The tier list is slightly biased in the Korean meta, rather than the Western meta (that usually makes subtle differences, and is based a lot on competitive play. Also, he's more a midlaner, so his tier list in other positions are probably skewed.[/quote] As far as his top lane list goes, I'm (a little) surprised about: [list][*][[Maokai]] deserving his own tier (though I should add I haven't tried him yet) [*][[Ryze]] & [[Shyvana]] still being placed in tier 1 when I haven't seen either of them in a while now (I might be more biased towards the western meta in that sense though, I don't really follow OGN) [*]Almost everyone in tier 2.5: it's probably accurate for [[Zac]], but [[Dr. Mundo]] should be higher and the other two should be lower imo [*][[Rumble]] only being tier 3 in his eyes. He's not exactly popular, but I believe he's still pretty strong. [*][[Trundle]] and [[Aatrox]] being tier 4 instead of 3. [*][[Jarvan IV]], [[Kennen]], [[Malphite]] and [[Olaf]] not being mentioned at all. I understand why he hasn't included solo queue champions like [[Fiora]] as it seems like team ranked is what this list is mainly about, but I'd say those four are better than tier 6 for sure.[/list][/quote]

[quote=Foxy Riven]I stopped watching when I saw [[viktor]] at the bottom of the midlaners. After every other champion in the game.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]The question is, when will riot finally release the core upgrade.^^[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=Wayne3100] As far as his top lane list goes, I'm (a little) surprised about: [list][*][[Maokai]] deserving his own tier (though I should add I haven't tried him yet) [*][[Ryze]] & [[Shyvana]] still being placed in tier 1 when I haven't seen either of them in a while now (I might be more biased towards the western meta in that sense though, I don't really follow OGN) [*]Almost everyone in tier 2.5: it's probably accurate for [[Zac]], but [[Dr. Mundo]] should be higher and the other two should be lower imo [*][[Rumble]] only being tier 3 in his eyes. He's not exactly popular, but I believe he's still pretty strong. [*][[Trundle]] and [[Aatrox]] being tier 4 instead of 3. [*][[Jarvan IV]], [[Kennen]], [[Malphite]] and [[Olaf]] not being mentioned at all. I understand why he hasn't included solo queue champions like [[Fiora]] as it seems like team ranked is what this list is mainly about, but I'd say those four are better than tier 6 for sure.[/list][/quote] Well, [[maokai]] seems to be a pretty heavily contested pick, based on the EU playoffs and this also seems to be the case in Korea. Whether it's right or not I think can be disputed for sure. [[ryze]] is his main, so he's biased about that. Also not sure about the [[shyvana]] in tier 1, especially when [[renekton]] goes down to tier 2 and I can't attribute these towards any meta changes that affects him over her. I'd agree with most of his 2.5 picks (except maybe [[zac]], who I haven't seen much of). I think [[dr. Mundo]] should be higher too, and he seems to have this thing for [[teemo]], lol. I think [[rumble]] is only tier 3 because he doesn't see so much play or there's simply better AP tops available in recent meta. I think [[aatrox]] is actually worthy of tier 2, if not 3. A lot of dive potential, along with strong snowball potential and quite safe laning. I think [[trundle]] is fine at 4. The rest I don't know why they've been overlooked, except [[olaf]]. I find he's really niche to play, which is why he's been overlooked.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I feel like the recent meta shifting makes GP shine a bit. Sure, he still has his flaws, but kiting is something GP is great at. Buffing your carries MS and slowing down the enemy lines with [[Iceborn Gauntlet]] is really strong. I could see him used as jungler or support focusing on the tanky site. As support, he would also have nice poking with [[parrrley]], while having the ability to farm up well thanks to [[relic shield]]. His passive also does great damage to squishy enemies, especially if you manage to stack it. This can turnaround ganks or engages into your favor or you just kill the enemy early with [[exhaust]]. Great ADC's to team up with would be [[tristana]] or [[graves]], they got a lot of poke early aswell and together with your poke and AD steroid they die even faster. [[draven]] would be also nice, as he would be then as fast as Usain Bolt while having increased AD. I also never really had mana problems as him, especially after getting [[sheen]]. Just get 1-2 [[mana potion]]s and you are fine.[/quote]

[quote=Darealone][quote=PsiGuard]No competitive team seems to play Wukong anymore.[/quote] Thank. Goodness.[/quote]