7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Darealone][quote=KatariFIRE]Since 4.12 I've seen a lot of [[Lucian]] running on top lane.[/quote] Plz. No. Just...no.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]motivation to play league is just not there. sorry guys.[/quote]

[quote=Darealone][quote=H4xDefender]motivation to play league is just not there. sorry guys.[/quote] Nuuuuuuuuuuuu...can someone else take the reigns of what this great man started?[/quote]

[quote=Darealone]From Reddit: [spoiler] MID Tier 1: Orianna, Syndra, Twisted Fate, Ahri, Ryze, Yasuo, Kassadin Tier 2: Lulu, Fizz, Xerath, Karthus, Ziggs, Jayce, Zed Tier 2.5: Talon, Kayle, Lucian Tier 3: Anivia, Riven, Ezreal, Akali, Leblanc, Annie, Teemo, Morgana Tier 3.5: AP Kog’Maw, Karma Tier 4: Katarina, Heimerdinger, Cassiopeia, AP Tristana, Sion, Mordekaiser, Brand Tier 5: All other non-named kids Tier 6: Viktor TOP Tier S: Maokai Tier 1: Gragas, Ryze, Alistar, Shyvanna Tier 2: Nidalee, Renekton, Shen, Irelia, Lulu, Gnar (?), Jayce Tier 2.5: Zac, Mundo, Teemo, Lee Sin Tier 3: Yasuo, Jax, Kayle, Rengar, Lissandra, Swain, Rumble, Akali, Riven, Zed, Tryndamere, Hecarim Tier 4: Darius, Gangplank, Poppy, Kha’Zix, Elise, Vladimir, Quinn, Aatrox, Trundle, Heimerdinger, Yorick, Nasus, Singed, Olaf, Kennen, Fiora Tier 5: Rammus, Nunu, Sion, Garen, Xin Zhau Tier 6: All other non-named tops JUNGLE Tier 1: Rengar, Lee Sin, Elise Tier 1.5: Evelynn, Jarvan 4 Tier 2: Vi, Kha’Zix, Maokai Tier 2.5: Nocturne Tier 3: Pantheon, Zed, Fiddlesticks, Kayle, Amumu Tier 3.5: Riven, Warwick, Yi, Shaco Tier 4: Wukong, Jax*, Gragas, Zac Tier 5: All other non-named jungles (including Xin Zhau) ADC/MARKSMAN Tier 1: Tristana, Corki, Kog’Maw Tier 2: Twitch, Lucian Tier 3: Caitlyn, Vayne, Jinx, Ezreal, Blue-Ezreal, Draven Tier 4: Sivir, Varus, Miss Fortune Tier 5: Ashe, Graves Tier 6: Quinn, Urgot Tier 7: All other non-named ADC’s SUPPORT Tier 1: Morgana, Nami, Thresh, Braum Tier 2: Alistar, Leona Tier 3: Lulu, Sona, Zilean Tier 4: Annie, Karma, Soraka, Blitzcrank, Lissandra, Nunu, Zyra Tier 5: All other non-named/abstract supports[/spoiler] Thoughts?[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]My thought is that there's too many tiers. I'd rather have 3-4 ordered tiers than 6+.[/quote]

[quote=jamespongebob][quote=Darealone]From Reddit: [spoiler] MID Tier 1: Orianna, Syndra, Twisted Fate, Ahri, Ryze, Yasuo, Kassadin Tier 2: Lulu, Fizz, Xerath, Karthus, Ziggs, Jayce, Zed Tier 2.5: Talon, Kayle, Lucian Tier 3: Anivia, Riven, Ezreal, Akali, Leblanc, Annie, Teemo, Morgana Tier 3.5: AP Kog’Maw, Karma Tier 4: Katarina, Heimerdinger, Cassiopeia, AP Tristana, Sion, Mordekaiser, Brand Tier 5: All other non-named kids Tier 6: Viktor TOP Tier S: Maokai Tier 1: Gragas, Ryze, Alistar, Shyvanna Tier 2: Nidalee, Renekton, Shen, Irelia, Lulu, Gnar (?), Jayce Tier 2.5: Zac, Mundo, Teemo, Lee Sin Tier 3: Yasuo, Jax, Kayle, Rengar, Lissandra, Swain, Rumble, Akali, Riven, Zed, Tryndamere, Hecarim Tier 4: Darius, Gangplank, Poppy, Kha’Zix, Elise, Vladimir, Quinn, Aatrox, Trundle, Heimerdinger, Yorick, Nasus, Singed, Olaf, Kennen, Fiora Tier 5: Rammus, Nunu, Sion, Garen, Xin Zhau Tier 6: All other non-named tops JUNGLE Tier 1: Rengar, Lee Sin, Elise Tier 1.5: Evelynn, Jarvan 4 Tier 2: Vi, Kha’Zix, Maokai Tier 2.5: Nocturne Tier 3: Pantheon, Zed, Fiddlesticks, Kayle, Amumu Tier 3.5: Riven, Warwick, Yi, Shaco Tier 4: Wukong, Jax*, Gragas, Zac Tier 5: All other non-named jungles (including Xin Zhau) ADC/MARKSMAN Tier 1: Tristana, Corki, Kog’Maw Tier 2: Twitch, Lucian Tier 3: Caitlyn, Vayne, Jinx, Ezreal, Blue-Ezreal, Draven Tier 4: Sivir, Varus, Miss Fortune Tier 5: Ashe, Graves Tier 6: Quinn, Urgot Tier 7: All other non-named ADC’s SUPPORT Tier 1: Morgana, Nami, Thresh, Braum Tier 2: Alistar, Leona Tier 3: Lulu, Sona, Zilean Tier 4: Annie, Karma, Soraka, Blitzcrank, Lissandra, Nunu, Zyra Tier 5: All other non-named/abstract supports[/spoiler] Thoughts?[/quote] Why is [[zyra]] so low? I'm pretty sure she's still an okay support.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce][quote=Darealone]From Reddit: [spoiler] MID Tier 1: Orianna, Syndra, Twisted Fate, Ahri, Ryze, Yasuo, Kassadin Tier 2: Lulu, Fizz, Xerath, Karthus, Ziggs, Jayce, Zed Tier 2.5: Talon, Kayle, Lucian Tier 3: Anivia, Riven, Ezreal, Akali, Leblanc, Annie, Teemo, Morgana Tier 3.5: AP Kog’Maw, Karma Tier 4: Katarina, Heimerdinger, Cassiopeia, AP Tristana, Sion, Mordekaiser, Brand Tier 5: All other non-named kids Tier 6: Viktor TOP Tier S: Maokai Tier 1: Gragas, Ryze, Alistar, Shyvanna Tier 2: Nidalee, Renekton, Shen, Irelia, Lulu, Gnar (?), Jayce Tier 2.5: Zac, Mundo, Teemo, Lee Sin Tier 3: Yasuo, Jax, Kayle, Rengar, Lissandra, Swain, Rumble, Akali, Riven, Zed, Tryndamere, Hecarim Tier 4: Darius, Gangplank, Poppy, Kha’Zix, Elise, Vladimir, Quinn, Aatrox, Trundle, Heimerdinger, Yorick, Nasus, Singed, Olaf, Kennen, Fiora Tier 5: Rammus, Nunu, Sion, Garen, Xin Zhau Tier 6: All other non-named tops JUNGLE Tier 1: Rengar, Lee Sin, Elise Tier 1.5: Evelynn, Jarvan 4 Tier 2: Vi, Kha’Zix, Maokai Tier 2.5: Nocturne Tier 3: Pantheon, Zed, Fiddlesticks, Kayle, Amumu Tier 3.5: Riven, Warwick, Yi, Shaco Tier 4: Wukong, Jax*, Gragas, Zac Tier 5: All other non-named jungles (including Xin Zhau) ADC/MARKSMAN Tier 1: Tristana, Corki, Kog’Maw Tier 2: Twitch, Lucian Tier 3: Caitlyn, Vayne, Jinx, Ezreal, Blue-Ezreal, Draven Tier 4: Sivir, Varus, Miss Fortune Tier 5: Ashe, Graves Tier 6: Quinn, Urgot Tier 7: All other non-named ADC’s SUPPORT Tier 1: Morgana, Nami, Thresh, Braum Tier 2: Alistar, Leona Tier 3: Lulu, Sona, Zilean Tier 4: Annie, Karma, Soraka, Blitzcrank, Lissandra, Nunu, Zyra Tier 5: All other non-named/abstract supports[/spoiler] Thoughts?[/quote] This entire list seems really badly organized and inaccurate at some parts (particularly support and mid lane). Also, having 702139 tiers doesn't help whatsoever. [quote = jamespongebob ]Why is [[Zyra]] so low? I'm pretty sure she's still an okay support.[/quote] She is. This tier list is just pretty bad :c [[Zyra]] is in the same boat as [[lulu]] and [[sona]] overall, apart from the fact that she works as a really, really good counterpick to a bunch of tier 1 supports (namely [[morgana]],[[nami]] and [[thresh]] although personally I find her dominant in lanes vs [[braum]] as well).[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0][quote=Darealone] MID Tier 6: Viktor [/quote] Yeah that seems about right.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][embed=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXFsx1i_D50] This is the whole video from lastshadow. He does sometimes go into particular detail, but it's good because it's for everyone. The tier list is slightly biased in the Korean meta, rather than the Western meta (that usually makes subtle differences, and is based a lot on competitive play. Also, he's more a midlaner, so his tier list in other positions are probably skewed.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce]Ehhhhhh still not convinced on the validity of his reasoning, considering how most of it is just common sense :/[/quote]