7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=PsiGuard]Playing passive as a support generally isn't any "safer" than playing with lane presence. I don't know yet what the best build and skill order is on Soraka, but I wouldn't discount Q max just because it's a damage spell. Sona has been a staple sustain support and she's often played with her damage ability maxed first because it offers her better lane pressure. "The best defense is a good offense" and all that. Though I could see the self-heal scaling on W being a good reason to max it first. I'm not really sure why they put the self-heal on W to begin with honestly, it feels like it should be on Q.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=XeresAce]How is q max on soraka the [b]safest[/b] way to play her? I'm confused. Her Q being up 2 seconds earlier doesn't really make much of a difference cause she doesn't spam it every-time it's off cooldown and the 20% extra slow is almost irrelevant :c Even if she maxes q, her damage doesn't come close to stuff like karma, zyra, velkoz and even nami trades better I've been maxing W mostly because it increases the health you regain from Q and lets your adc recover from trades without you dropping health extremely quickly. Alternatively, I've maxed E when I played with jinx and ashe cause they make the snare (and with it, the second portion of damage) easier to land. Sure, Q max is good when significantly ahead but it is by no way a "safe" option and kinda forces soraka in to a poke oriented role which can really screw you over if you get in to a straight on fight vs any high damage support or someone who can CC you and keep you from being able to heal at all.[/quote][[Nami]] is far less susceptible to poke and much safer, in general, to play as a healer by comparison. Currently, [[Soraka]]'s long range poke and AoE CC are much more important factors of her kit during the laning phase. She transitions into a healer later in the game, but in lane using [[Astral Infusion]] very often just makes it really easy to bully her and her laning partner, which means there's no real reason to max it first besides not giving a crap if you can return poke or not. It goes without saying that if you can't hit [[starcall]] consistently there's obviously no point in maxing it first. [[Starcall]] vs. [[Equinox]] really comes down to a few points: [[Starcall]] trades CC for longer range, nearly a third of the cooldown, and overall stronger damage potential (due to the previous point and the fact that it deals extra damage in the center), assuming you're capable of hitting it consistently. The increased slow is pretty good for being on a 5 second CD. :P [[Equinox]] has a rather long CD and it can be easily walked out of before it snares without chaining [[Starcall]] or other skills with it, which makes it much less reliable. Yes, [[Equinox]] deals damage twice, but this requires you to lock someone down long enough for them to get snared, which is something you can't rely on as a consistent source of damage (very similar to the second burst on a [[Mantra]]'d [[Inner Flame]], though [[Karma]] at least has a separate snare that can be used to lock someone down). The reason to max it first would obviously be the longer snare duration, but the snare is inconsistent when compared to things like [[Aqua Prison]], not to mention on a longer cooldown, and the silence functions equally well at all ranks. EDIT: wtf [[Mantra]] and [[Inner Flame]] are broken >_>[/quote]

[quote=Darealone]Dat [[rumble]] bump up doe.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=Darealone]Dat [[rumble]] bump up doe.[/quote] Needed hes that good now his ult is the best ult in game at team fighting and he plays well from behind unlike alot of top laners.[/quote]

[quote=Aeadar][[Viktor]] can be a extremely terrifying snowball. The Hex core upgrades mean that a gold advantage can lead to power spike and lead to a his [[chaos storm]] melting everyone and his [[siphon power]] being ridiculous in duels.[/quote]

[quote=Darealone][quote=Cooper112]he plays well from behind unlike alot of top laners.[/quote] 1. Use [[the equalizer]]. 2. ????? 3. Profit.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]What's keeping Kassadin from tier 1?[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Takes too long to ramp up mod pls change to 4.17[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Done.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]When would you say he's ramped up?[/quote]