For an item to be beneficial on Fiora it must do one of two things:

If Boots or a pure defensive item it must provide some sort of utility for your team or boost Fiora's ability to get to her opponent/amplify her damage in some way.

If a damage item it must benefit both Fiora's duelling capability and abilities as well as align with her kit.

Phantom Dancer does not fit this last criteria, so it is not a recommended item on Fiora. This is also why Muramana isn't a recommended item either on Fiora as it doesn't mesh well with her kit and is a waste if you get it.

Oh hey Scorier

I completely disagree with your guide. I will also state the reasons why, in a clear manner.

You misunderstand the point that Zord makes about Lifesteal. I have also created a guide for Fiora, so you can trust me when I say I too have made calculations. Having lifesteal is essential, and a Fiora with no lifesteal is stupid. However, you have to remember that lifesteal is reliant on the damage you do. 42% lifesteal sounds great, but if you only have 312 damage, then you only heal 131 per hit. I DO NOT SAY DONT GET LIFESTEAL. ITS EVEN OKAY TO GET 3 LIFESTEAL ITEMS, PROVIDED YOU HAVE THE DAMAGE TO SUPPORT YOURSELF. In comparision, if you have lets say, a Bloodthirster and a Ravenous Hydra for lifesteal that gives you 30% lifesteal. If you also have a Last Whisper, and a Black Cleaver, that gives you around 380. Keep in mind these calculations are without runes.

This gives you 114 lifesteal per hit. Now, you maybe thinking, isn't that lower. than the previous scenario? You're right, it is. However, now, by sacrificing a meagre 17 lifesteal per hit, you gain 35% arpen from the Last Whisper, as well as the ability to shred an entire teams armour in a teamfight, using you ulti+black cleaver procs. This way, you can help your team. Furthermore, the so-called damage calculation you have done seems to be ********. After entering your "build" into Purpleside.net, your DPS comes out at 474 if you count you popping your E. However, thanks to 0 armour pen, against a Volibear, your attacks deal at most, 191 damage without runes, and 220 with them. In comparision, my suggested build would deal over 300 damage, a serious improvement over your build, and fairly close to your DPS with 464 damage per second with E popped. The 10 damage between my DPS and yours is insignificant, when compared to the significantly better damage I do in general.

Finally, you fail to use Phantom Dancer in a significant way. If you build it, you must build crit chance, Infinity Edge, Static, etc. But you fail to do so. Furthermore, Fiora's Ulti cannot proc crits, so your build would be even further useless when ulting. Finally, no matter what ******** you spout, it is impossible to dodge, or wait for every possible cc to be blown in a teamfight/for you to dodge them. I additionaly main Leona support, and my Q, a targeted stun, is on a 4-6 second cd. No matter how "pro" you are, you cannot kill my entire team in 6 seconds, considering that your way of fighting is to wait for everyone to blow their cc then try and kill people. I blow my Q stun, then my Ult, then my slow, my Q is back up again. There is no possible way for you to escape me, or my laners. Furthermore, you can't even kill me or my adc fast enough, since S4 meta means that some Mages and almost all ADC's carry either heal or barrier. I also often have a Locket of the Iron Solari, as well as a Face of the Mountain, and considering my 6k health, is a lot to chunk through. The same is the case for Blitz, who can silence you, Thresh, who can flay you, as well as Taric who can stun you even before you walk in, all the while increasing everyone's armour and healing.

I don't expect you to actually construct a reply that makes sense, but if it does, I am happy to read it.

You wanted numbers, you got them.

Shadeslayer808

Now I'm wondering how a diamond(I guess that's a lie or the system is really flawed) can do everything wrong and can be so arrogant.

Pepsi : I don't really care if you agree or not since you arn't using any statistical/numbered proof to back up your opinion. As well with fiora: I never lost to any renekton or nasus or teemo or jayce or any counters possible exept one which was jax (and I only got beaten once vs him) and a very good played hecarim . So no, you can put any champions in front of me ( AP or AD) if you play your fiora well you win even with low armor since you have high damage to make up for it (btw I am Diamond II).



Could you guys really be useful and try and use relevant arguments with data? Or is it too hard for you guys who are probably gold level and under?

Also from now on I'll just stop responding to useless comments .

*sigh* you obviously can't use your brains -_-. You have no statistics and the only chart you bring up (which I like , cause I finaly have someone using numbers) isn't the least relevant as it shows nothing interesting.

All of you only rely on your opinion. I don't care about your opinion, you play your fiora the way you want if you want to be deaf please be it and shut up. Exemple of quote: " I don't need statistics to prove it because I know that that's what works well on this champion" . How can you be sure without using statistics ? Thats an idiots logic. As for the Ap Champ, like i keep saying if you are scared of ap champs then you clearly don't know how to play fiora cause with me I never get taken down by Ap champs ^^ , they deal damage but i own them befor they can even mid life me . So if you can't play vs AP champs with a fiora: you suck, even in teamfights.

Sirell: seeing you are the only one using charts and numbers to prove your point (which I am very happy to see even if its for the same aim as the others who arn't trying to think and just blur out there opinions thinking its the best without having any real proof, and thinking the number of users of a same build style make it the perfect build) , I will answer your chart. Your chart doesn't indicate the full build , only the items chosen individualy. If you look at the objects chosen you will see that all of them exept one are AD damage items . In other words your charts only says this: "appart from guardien angel , people with with fiora by taking more then 90% AD on her, in general". So you are not only proving my point, but you are also depending on build trends "which are useless since most players Under Diamond have there own builds without looking into pro builds and calculating programs. In other words your charts shows an overall tendency of all the leagues (including bronze silver gold which, from my point of view suck for most of em), of playing 90% AD builds. Your chart is therefor not so useful in this debate if you are trying to show a weakness in my build :/. Please find another useful one .

PS: if you guys use the same builds as others, without thinking why others use this build and calculating there effectivness with calculating programs (made for Professional gaming btw so its WAY above your level), you won't be the best and improve, you'll be like most bronze: ****-strucked players with close minded attitudes. In other words useless. Seriously fix your problems before commenting go see psychologists or something -_-.

Just bad. Plain bad. Max W first as it gives you a lot of AD. Building the same items(without any changes) means that you don't quite understand what Fiora needs. "Getting hit by CC" isn't always about being good or bad: if you are a big enough threat, they will keep something for you and if you wait for them to use it, you waiting for so long may cost your team losing a fight.
26/4 and Frozen Heart are really bad for your defense. I read your guide and I don't agree with what you say: you WILL get damaged by AP champions regardless of the skill level and 4 in defense will lead to you getting abused early on.

Literally everything Kafurflgig said is correct. Except CD boots, wat

BoRK and Hydra are both amazing and CORE on Fiora. BoRK gives her much needed sticking power and goes well with her high AS and on-hit ult. Hydra lets her delete a team with the press of a button.

LW is MANDATORY on ANY AD CHAMPION because if you have no armor pen a single Chain Vest will render you useless, and if they don't buy any armor your damage skyrockets anyway.

PD is garbage because she doesn't scale off crit, moreover you buy zero other crit items, zero pen, and there are better options for AS like, idk, BORK.

FH is garbage because it's outclassed by Randuins and you literally need no stats from it except maybe the armor, but you have NO HEALTH to go with it, meanin it's essentially useless.

Last Whisper - 2nd most picked item on Fiora. 63.52% win ratio.


On the other hand, Phantom Dancer isn't even on the map.

You literally have no clue how to play Fiora. Not going to bother any further. Just take my -1.

That's not a bad comment, we're trying to help you by correcting your mistakes. We both have suggested items you can try out, we don't recommend a full build because that needs to come from you.

Example: You need to take the core items ( Ravenous Hydra, The Brutalizer, and Last Whisper) and fill in useful items with it (e.g. Infinity Edge, Bloodthirster, Youmuu's Ghostblade). Then you need boots (not at this point but I'm just filling them in now for the info to flow nicely). Good boots on Fiora would be Berserker's Greaves, Mercury's Treads, Ninja Tabi and Ionian Boots of Lucidity. If you need you can splash in defensive items like the ones I've mentioned previously.

That's a proper Fiora build. I don't need statistics to prove it because I know that that's what works well on this champion from first hand experience, from watching others play this champion and just by overall knowledge of her kit.

We're trying to help you make this better but you won't look past your own build to see our points. We say things are bad because they are, and we are assuming that you have some knowledge to fall back on. But all you've done is act condescending to both of us. The reason I've been so "aggressive" is because when it comes to guides that have completely false information from writers who won't accept criticism, you need to be loud to make yourself heard. Obviously this doesn't work for you so I'm sorry if any of this has been offensive to you, but honestly your build is very bad.

Start doing some more research on this champion, try out the standard builds some time and stop trying to use numbers and flawed logic to prove yourself. You keep saying a good Fiora won't get hit. Enemies that are smart don't care how good you are, they'll still be-able to hit you. It's like the saying goes, "What happens when the irresistible force meets the immovable object". One of you is trying to hit, the other is trying to dodge, so mistakes are bound to be made and you need solid defense to fall back on.

As for the rest of the information, start giving concise, well written explanations to all the little details, accept the truth abut the meta, listen to more than just the negative in criticism and start getting into detail about this champion and your guide will improve.

So long, please consider this

-Kafurflgig

*sigh* and what did i tell you? I used calcutating programs to check wether last whisper does more damage with the rest of the standard builds vs a pure AD def tank, and it dealt more then 100 less damage then with fantom danser.

*facepalm* go look bruiser on the lol website, they are character that aim to maximise damage on the enemy team , thats why its called a "bruiser" because it "hurts" the enemy team. Most bruisers have a bit of defense but like i explained in my build, fiora is an exeption -_-.

And suggestions means you are suggesting: in other words you are giving an idea, but it doesn't mean it is the best idea. Suggesting without any stats to back up your ideas or any real plan behind them is the same as giving a bad comment , it doesn't help discuss, only adds to the noise.

The only interesting part in your last comment is : "it would take a second to bring her down with a focused team". Why? because a real fiora wont let you focus her, she will always avoid that by letting others engage first ^^, and once the engage is done , more then 75% of the enemy spells are on cooldown and you wont have any problem fighting in there without losing hp ^^. Like I said, if you play fiora and get stunned or focused, it means you don't know how to play optimal fiora. I never get focused exept when i make mistakes, and i never get stunned or slowed or anything like that exept when i make mistakes (and i dont make many mistake). Even while being focused you still need CC to kill her , because without it she will just lifesteal her life back right away . I went in today 3v1 vs renek , vi and malzar, because i engaged malzar first they couldn't CC unless Vi could catch up, used flash near bush to confuse the enemy and burst renek down , VI took 3 seconds to come back because renek was searching for me on the other side, she died thanks to my lifesteal even though she had pure anti AD tank build. My point is like i said in my build: if you die with fiora because of focus or CC, it means you still have ways to improve in your strategy play with her.


For future references :

A bad comment is as follow : YOU SHOULDNT BUILD LIFESTEAL FIORA
Reasons: no stats, no proof , no point , just a simple opinion without any data to back it up

A good comment is as follow: Berserker boots are more useful then other boots because you already have enough speed boost thanks to your E , your flash and A , so you don't need to close gaps , you need to focus more on your combat skills. 20% attack speed gets you over 2 hits per second which goes nicely with a lot of AD.
Reasons: Theres stats, reasons, plan behind it , data, and a real discussion over which is better between movement speed and attack speed.

So far I havn't seen any good comments with any data coming from both of you , the only reason I like your comments Zordagoth is because they pinpoint stuff i might not have explained in my build (exemple of the choice of berserker boots). Both of you still havn't find any way to improve this build, or find a better one with actual numerical/data proof. Although zordagoth you arn't being as agressiv as Kafur, most of what you guys have done is giving your opinion thats all . Like saying : "i dont like it/ I like it" and then your saddened by the fact that i don't change my build. What idiot would change his build simply because of opinions without any backup/proof that another choice is better?
Unlike some people, I am happy to say I got something else to do then waste my time on useless opinions, and i want structured , data based opinions. THATS the kind of comment i want.

Last exemple of a good comment: "you could add a bit of colors to your guide because 75% of it is written in white".

Hope that cleared things up for you guys.

Sorry to say that, but he's right on that.

As I already told you, if you have no Last Whisper at some point of the game, tanks will just laugh at you like you're nothing. It will increase your damage A **** TON.

And btw, stop telling people Fiora is a bruiser, when she is not really one and you ABSOLUTELY don't build her as one (jax is a bruiser, renekton is a bruiser, trynda is NOT a bruiser). Bruisers are champs with a mix of damage and tankyness, your build leaves fiora insanely squishy.

Also, whatever you might think Fiora is weak to CC, and your lifesteal won't NEVER help you when a "squishy mage" come to burst you (hi Leblanc !!).

I tried to help with my suggestions, but you seems to ignore them saying "my build is better".

And the way you tell to play fiora makes me think you play it at really low elo where noone seems to be able to focus anything. I can tell you for sure if I see a fiora built like that, it would take a second to bring her down with a focused team

Try to work on this even more, and consider our suggestions ^^

1- Your tank items you recommend arn't used by your own "pro player" website .
2- Funny how your probuilds website doesn't give any info on why they choose those items (I know why, its simply because of build trends)
3- Buying lifesteal without maxing it is useless
4- 21/9/0 is standard for you not me ;)
5- And people who build armor pen might be right unfortunatly it doesn't suit fiora as much as lifesteal
6- Funny how you don't give any stats ,any precise number which really shows any difference between my build and yours
7- You can suppose its your own fault for lacking the notion of respect
8- If evryone suicides, would you do it? no , simply because even if a lot of people do something it doesn't mean they are right in doing so. Same goes for your awsome armor penetration
9- I'm just answering your attitude with the same one ^^ to show you exacly what i don't like about it :). If you don't like it , maybe you should learn respect ^^
10-I'm sure your lack of confidence makes you want to be all pro and evrything , but even though its a pro build, I'm not here to impress evryone ^^ I'm just here to give my own tip and point of view on how to play fiora. You on the other hand seem to have a serious problem as you not only just state your opinion without making a real point , but also try and force it on others . I call that being selfish. Like i said -> "go see a psychologist"