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[quote=Jovy]Name: [color=#0080ff]MissMaw[/color] Link: [color=#0080ff][URL=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/kogmaw-mans-best-friend-251955]Click[/url][/color] Have you read my Guide to Making a Guide? [color=#0080ff]Yes[/color] Have you run your guide through a spell check? [color=#0080ff]Yes[/color][/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]Thanks for your reply! 1. As a recreational Nidalee player, I obviously don't know 100% of what there is to know about her, but in the games I have played with her, I've found MS to be more beneficial than AD. Mainly because she can harass from the bushes easily - you can get in that extra ~7 damage with another auto-attack. 2. It depends on the lane. I wouldn't delay boots, even on Nidalee for Doran's, Doran's, Phage. But that's personal preference. 3. Then I would level Bushwhack over it for the utility - you can't say that it hasn't saved you from ganks due to the reveal - plus it does a lot of damage. I guess you could say the skill shot is as unreliable as the chance of an enemy stepping on a trap. 4. True. From what I remember of the new masteries, I don't think spell pen is available any more, which is a damn shame. I don't know if 15% is worth increased crit. Then again, it's only one point, pretty neligible. 5. Ah, the good old days of three Philo Stone Nidalee/Poppy/Amumu... I only pointed it out due to having Randuin's in your build. If you're going to buy it anyway, it's best to get the gold gen happening early. With Nidalee's mobility, you can get to base and back fast enough that the purchase doesn't set her back. I also mentioned it because whilst you're gold, the majority of your readers won't be. Even though I only mention BV as situational in my Ashe guide, the majority of the screenshots they send me have it in their builds. Whilst I understand Bruiser Nidalee is about the harass, it's not explicit in your guide - everything you've said to me in this reply you can put in your guide so other readers can understand your choices to the nth degree. +1, +rep :)[/quote]

[quote=Rainfall][quote=jhoijhoi] Thanks for your reply! 1. As a recreational Nidalee player, I obviously don't know 100% of what there is to know about her, but in the games I have played with her, I've found MS to be more beneficial than AD. Mainly because she can harass from the bushes easily - you can get in that extra ~7 damage with another auto-attack. 2. It depends on the lane. I wouldn't delay boots, even on Nidalee for Doran's, Doran's, Phage. But that's personal preference. 3. Then I would level Bushwhack over it for the utility - you can't say that it hasn't saved you from ganks due to the reveal - plus it does a lot of damage. I guess you could say the skill shot is as unreliable as the chance of an enemy stepping on a trap. 4. True. From what I remember of the new masteries, I don't think spell pen is available any more, which is a damn shame. I don't know if 15% is worth increased crit. Then again, it's only one point, pretty neligible. 5. Ah, the good old days of three Philo Stone Nidalee/Poppy/Amumu... I only pointed it out due to having Randuin's in your build. If you're going to buy it anyway, it's best to get the gold gen happening early. With Nidalee's mobility, you can get to base and back fast enough that the purchase doesn't set her back. I also mentioned it because whilst you're gold, the majority of your readers won't be. Even though I only mention BV as situational in my Ashe guide, the majority of the screenshots they send me have it in their builds. Whilst I understand Bruiser Nidalee is about the harass, it's not explicit in your guide - everything you've said to me in this reply you can put in your guide so other readers can understand your choices to the nth degree. +1, +rep :) [/quote] 1. It's personal preference I guess, both me and Koksei have agreed that AD feels a lot better and is more useful, in our opinion. 2. OFC it depends on the lane. I wouldn't particularly rush boots against champions without a gap closer. I'll always rush ninja tabi if I need it. 3. Although bushwhack does deal quite a lot of damage, like you've said, it's ridiculously unreliable unless you spam it on every section of the map, they're pretty easy to dodge if you know what you're looking for. Also, I'd say levelling it just makes it worse during laning phase. The CD stays the same, but the mana cost goes up. You can't afford to be placing 120 mana traps down when your heal costs 140. 4. Yeah, not much to discuss here. 5. I probably should of done something about HoG, but what I didn't mention was I originally wrote this based off the S3 item previews, which of course, didn't include HoG, so randuins was built out of ruby crystal. Anyway, I'm reworking the entire guide, because I didn't particularly like a lot of things. I thought the descriptions of certain items were a bit too bland, there was a random quick guide section that was out of position and provided absolutely nothing, and I didn't really go into depth about anything. Could you possibly do a re-review in the future? :P (+Rep BTW)[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi][columns] [nextcol width=100][color=#0080ff][b]NAME[/b][/color] -------------------------------- MissMaw [nextcol width=30] [nextcol width=100][color=#ff8000][b]CHAMPION[/b][/color] -------------------------------- [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/kogmaw-mans-best-friend-251955]SR ADC Kog'Maw[/url] [nextcol width=30] [nextcol width=100][color=#0080ff][b]RATING[/b][/color] ------------------------------- 7.5/10 [nextcol width=30] [nextcol width=100][color=#ff8000][b]DATE[/b][/color] --------------------------- 18/11/2012[/columns] [spoiler=MissMaw's ADC Kog'Maw Guide Review] [h2]Cheat Sheet[/h2] --------------------- [b]Items >[/b] Hmm. I've come up against a lot of successful Kog'Maw's who buy two [[phantom dancer]]s early. Whilst this may sound ridiculous, it works due to [[bio-arcane barrage]]. I wouldn't recommend changing your build to this, but it's something to consider and play test. The build otherwise looks perfectly fine to me. [b]Ability Sequence >[/b] OP, I hate Kog'Maw. I'm glad you've spec'd [[void ooze]] first, and I hope you explain it later on in the guide for clarity. [b]Masteries >[/b] o.o This I'm not sure I like. Here are the main reasons. 1) [[executioner]] is too valuable for an ADC to pass up - especially on someone like Kog'Maw who's ultimate is all about sniping people down to low health. 2) [[indomitable]] and [[tough skin]] are admirable choices, but due to Kog'Maw's range, it is unlikely you'll be taking that much damage from minions due to skirmishes. 3) [[hardiness]] is too good a mastery to ignore: 6 extra armour on a squishy Kog, for 3 points? [h2]Guide[/h2] -------------------------------- [b]Introduction >[/b] Be careful with your paragraphing - is there a reason why it suddenly cuts off at "coughcough"? [b]Runes and Masteries >[/b] Masteries: The 6 armour will scale far better into the game than 4 reduced damage from a minion hit. [b]Summoner Spells >[/b] Cleanse: I'd say if "bot lane has some sort of CC themselves" would be a better description. You're not going to pass up on Cleanse if you're not up against Ashe or Varus, but you are up against Taric or Nunu. Combinations like Vayne/Taric are deadly. Heal and Surge: These are changing/being removed with S3, so make sure you account for those changes when they come around. Ability Explanation: Love it. Ingunitive layout and the tips/tricks explain exactly what I want to hear and know about each ability. [b]Early Game and Supports >[/b] "to ganks so sure to keep", just read over things aloud to catch small errors. "potentially save Kog from ganks and stuffs" nuuuu... You were being so professional, don't stop now. [h2]Rating[/h2] -------------------------------- [b]Appearance >[/b] 3. Love the coding you've used, the images you've supplied, the aesthetic levels of this guide are amazing. Emphasis via colour is fantastic and really grabs attention to important aspects of the guide. I have almost no feedback about this aspect of your score, keep up the great work! [b]Content >[/b] 2. Whilst you covered everything a guide should cover, I felt like it was lacking in terms of "in-depth information". You wrote about everything in a short and concise manner and I did feel like I learnt a few new things from this guide, but there is definite room to improve here in terms of adding more information and extending the learning of your readers. [b]Viability >[/b] 2.5. Items are great, runes are great, summoner's are great. It's just the masteries that are throwing me off. I understand that Kog is squishy and he has no escape abilities, but I don't feel that is a reason to spec the way you have. I personally haven't played as much Kog as you (obviously), but one of the "cons" you have about Kog is his lack of damage early game. [[executioner]] affects damage to minions too, which should improve your last hitting. If you are adamant that [[tough skin]] and [[indomitable]] are better than [[hardiness]] and [[executioner]], I feel like you need to explain your choices in a far more in-depth manner than "it negates 12 damage from minions". [b]Total Score >[/b] 7.5 = Upvote (which will not be recieved until a reply is made).[/spoiler] -------------------------- [color=#0080ff][b]Rainfall:[/b][/color] Definitely, I'll be sure to do a rereview on S3 roll-out if you come back and remind me. I always learn so much from discussing things from a review, and of course reading a guide further boosts my knowledge. Explain some of your item choices better, explain the abilities in a way that isn't confusing (sorry, maybe my brain is addled? But the spoilers didn't help :/) and maybe a little tiny bit more in the gameplay section and it is truly worth a scout point.[/quote]

[quote=Jovy][quote=jhoijhoi] [columns] [nextcol width=100][color=#0080ff][b]NAME[/b][/color] -------------------------------- MissMaw [nextcol width=30] [nextcol width=100][color=#ff8000][b]CHAMPION[/b][/color] -------------------------------- [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/kogmaw-mans-best-friend-251955]SR ADC Kog'Maw[/url] [nextcol width=30] [nextcol width=100][color=#0080ff][b]RATING[/b][/color] ------------------------------- 7.5/10 [nextcol width=30] [nextcol width=100][color=#ff8000][b]DATE[/b][/color] --------------------------- 18/11/2012[/columns] [spoiler=MissMaw's ADC Kog'Maw Guide Review] [h2]Cheat Sheet[/h2] --------------------- [b]Items >[/b] Hmm. I've come up against a lot of successful Kog'Maw's who buy two [[phantom dancer]]s early. Whilst this may sound ridiculous, it works due to [[bio-arcane barrage]]. I wouldn't recommend changing your build to this, but it's something to consider and play test. The build otherwise looks perfectly fine to me. [b]Ability Sequence >[/b] OP, I hate Kog'Maw. I'm glad you've spec'd [[void ooze]] first, and I hope you explain it later on in the guide for clarity. [b]Masteries >[/b] o.o This I'm not sure I like. Here are the main reasons. 1) [[executioner]] is too valuable for an ADC to pass up - especially on someone like Kog'Maw who's ultimate is all about sniping people down to low health. 2) [[indomitable]] and [[tough skin]] are admirable choices, but due to Kog'Maw's range, it is unlikely you'll be taking that much damage from minions due to skirmishes. 3) [[hardiness]] is too good a mastery to ignore: 6 extra armour on a squishy Kog, for 3 points? [h2]Guide[/h2] -------------------------------- [b]Introduction >[/b] Be careful with your paragraphing - is there a reason why it suddenly cuts off at "coughcough"? [b]Runes and Masteries >[/b] Masteries: The 6 armour will scale far better into the game than 4 reduced damage from a minion hit. [b]Summoner Spells >[/b] Cleanse: I'd say if "bot lane has some sort of CC themselves" would be a better description. You're not going to pass up on Cleanse if you're not up against Ashe or Varus, but you are up against Taric or Nunu. Combinations like Vayne/Taric are deadly. Heal and Surge: These are changing/being removed with S3, so make sure you account for those changes when they come around. Ability Explanation: Love it. Ingunitive layout and the tips/tricks explain exactly what I want to hear and know about each ability. [b]Early Game and Supports >[/b] "to ganks so sure to keep", just read over things aloud to catch small errors. "potentially save Kog from ganks and stuffs" nuuuu... You were being so professional, don't stop now. [h2]Rating[/h2] -------------------------------- [b]Appearance >[/b] 3. Love the coding you've used, the images you've supplied, the aesthetic levels of this guide are amazing. Emphasis via colour is fantastic and really grabs attention to important aspects of the guide. I have almost no feedback about this aspect of your score, keep up the great work! [b]Content >[/b] 2. Whilst you covered everything a guide should cover, I felt like it was lacking in terms of "in-depth information". You wrote about everything in a short and concise manner and I did feel like I learnt a few new things from this guide, but there is definite room to improve here in terms of adding more information and extending the learning of your readers. [b]Viability >[/b] 2.5. Items are great, runes are great, summoner's are great. It's just the masteries that are throwing me off. I understand that Kog is squishy and he has no escape abilities, but I don't feel that is a reason to spec the way you have. I personally haven't played as much Kog as you (obviously), but one of the "cons" you have about Kog is his lack of damage early game. [[executioner]] affects damage to minions too, which should improve your last hitting. If you are adamant that [[tough skin]] and [[indomitable]] are better than [[hardiness]] and [[executioner]], I feel like you need to explain your choices in a far more in-depth manner than "it negates 12 damage from minions". [b]Total Score >[/b] 7.5 = Upvote (which will not be recieved until a reply is made).[/spoiler] [/quote] 1. Double PD sounds fine to me, I just never do it since I i think IE>PD is better damage-vise. 2. I should yeah, i think at one point i wanted to, and then i forgot. 3. I don't know about the masteries, I don't really think the 21st mastery is better than the damage reduction. I do know it's bot quite as useful on Kog'Maw as say, Graves, but still :P 4. I think I was meaning to add an empty space between those and coughcough jus got caught in it. 5. Minion damage helps you with trading, but yeah, again, more useful for Graves and such :x 6. Yup I'm going to 7. I'm glad you like it :D Worked really hard on that :3 8. Should I sound more or less professional lols But yeah, thanks for the review Jhoi I'll be sure to look into the mastery bit :3[/quote]

[quote=Viola Orpheus][b]Name:[/b] Viola Orpheus [b]Link:[/b] [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/sona-the-marvelous-musician-236918]Clickie![/url] [b]Have you read my Guide to Making a Guide?[/b] YES [b]Have you run your guide through a spell check?[/b] YES[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi][columns] [nextcol width=100][color=#0080ff][b]NAME[/b][/color] -------------------------------- Viola Orpheus [nextcol width=30] [nextcol width=100][color=#ff8000][b]CHAMPION[/b][/color] -------------------------------- [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/sona-the-marvelous-musician-236918]SR Support Sona[/url] [nextcol width=30] [nextcol width=100][color=#0080ff][b]RATING[/b][/color] ------------------------------- 7.5/10 [nextcol width=30] [nextcol width=100][color=#ff8000][b]DATE[/b][/color] --------------------------- 18/11/2012[/columns] [spoiler=Viola Orpheus' SR Support Sona Guide Review] [h2]Cheat Sheet[/h2] ---------------------- Runes > I'm not fond of those Avarice Quints. Here are some of my reasons: 1) Movement Speed Quints allow you to delay your boots for a second gold gen item as Sona if you grab W at level 3 or 4. 2) AD Quints allow for powerful harass. 3) Flat Armour Quints give a squishy Sona some more survivability. 4) Avarice gives 7 wards in the phase of a 30 minute game, which isn't too bad... guess it's up to personal preference. Items > As above, you can grab 2x GoldGen before [[boots of speed]] if you grab an earlier level in [[song of celerity]]. I would also remove that [[vision ward]] and replace it with [[oracle's elixir]] and [[sight ward]]. You mention in your guide that the jungler should get Oracles, but the support should also have it. On the S3 roll-out, Oracles will have a limited time frame, so it'll be interesting how the lane mechanics will change. Ability Sequence > As above. Masteries > Are interesting. Upcoming rework will throw your choices in the air, it'll be insightful to see how you adapt to the changes. Personally, as a support main in ranked, I used to run 1/21/8. I now run something like 1/8/21. Having [[exhaust]] back up before the enemy support allows for more skirmishes that will go in your favour, in addition to more CDR. Masteries on supports are heavily personal preference and depend completely on style of play. [h2]Guide[/h2] ---------------------- [b]Introduction >[/b] Hmm. I'd be wary here. It is never better for the support with support runes and masteries and starting items to transition into the ADC/APC, even if they have stolen the majority of the kills. Mentioning being "forced into that role" isn't something you should do. If you are the support for the game, you are the support. If you are the support, steal a couple of kills and then start stealing CS due to suddenly have 3x Doran's Blades, you're only screwing your team over by splitting the farm and kills bot lane, creating two weak ADCs and losing a support for your team. The thing about being a support is that even if you do manage to get fed, it's better for the entire team if you buy those team items - not if you decide you are now the ADC/APC. [b]Masteries >[/b] This needs a little bit of a rework. With S3 coming out, a lot of this description will be rendered useless, so start thinking now about which set-ups are the most viable/easiest to remember for people to use in their own games. At the very least, make it clear: "1/15/14" in large text above the mastery code, or before the text etc. [b]Runes >[/b] Never Seals of Warding, Glyphs of Replenishment or Glyphs of Resilience. What about MS Quints, or AD Quints? Give them a go, and tell me the outcome :) [b]Summoner Spells >[/b] Explanation for Teleport includes backdooring o.o I'd remove both Teleport and Cleanse from your list and just show four summoner spells by two columns, two rows. Allows you to write more for each spell and also removes spells you'd never really take as a support. [b]Items >[/b] Items you don't grab should be spoilered. [b]Item Routes >[/b] Not sure why you've included the build names before the builds, just seems odd and a waste of space. Zeke's Herald Rush: Makes more sense to grab the Philo Stone over the HoG. Offensive Support: Is interesting, but never get DFG on a support. I like the Abyssal choice though. Tonnes of Manna Support: Is an awful support build and you should feel bad, lol. Don't include this, or if you do, put it in a spoiler. AP/AD Sona: These builds should be included in the aforementioned spoiler. [b]Gameplay >[/b] You need to break up the monotony here. Adding simple titles like "Level 1", "Level 2-4" etc will give the readers the option of skipping "chapters" and/or keeps them knowledgeable of what's coming next. [h2]Score[/h2] ------------------------- [b]Appearance >[/b] 2. I feel there is room for improvement in terms of visual aesthetics. Your guide is very text heavy, and it involves a lot of commitment and time to read it. Sprucing the guide up with pictures, graphics (such as warding images, ability ranges etc) and colour will give visual learners something to keep them entertained while they read. The current coding you have now is fine. [b]Content >[/b] 2.5. Your guide is heavy in information. It covers pretty much everything I'd want to know about Support Sona. Some sections are lacking in terms of explicit information. The runes section, for example, I felt could have been explained better. However, you completely exceed all expectations with the Gameplay section which is both in-depth and incredibly useful if the reader manages to read it all :) [b]Viability >[/b] 3. Your guide is heavy in information. It covers pretty much everything I'd want to know about Support Sona... and ADC Sona and APC Sona. These aren't viable builds. In addition to that, you mention some slightly less viable runes. My biggest gripe is with the delayed E. Why does Caitlyn start with traps? Why does Corki start with Valkyrie? Why does Kog start with Ooze? I'm not suggesting that Sona start with [[song of celerity]], I'm suggesting that it is a very good skill to pick up earlier in case of jungle gank, or skirmish gone wrong. [b]Total Score >[/b] 7.5 = Upvote (receivable upon reply in this thread)[/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=Viola Orpheus][quote=jhoijhoi] [columns] [nextcol width=100][color=#0080ff][b]NAME[/b][/color] -------------------------------- Viola Orpheus [nextcol width=30] [nextcol width=100][color=#ff8000][b]CHAMPION[/b][/color] -------------------------------- [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/sona-the-marvelous-musician-236918]SR Support Sona[/url] [nextcol width=30] [nextcol width=100][color=#0080ff][b]RATING[/b][/color] ------------------------------- 7.5/10 [nextcol width=30] [nextcol width=100][color=#ff8000][b]DATE[/b][/color] --------------------------- 18/11/2012[/columns] [spoiler=Viola Orpheus' SR Support Sona Guide Review] [h2]Cheat Sheet[/h2] ---------------------- Runes > I'm not fond of those Avarice Quints. Here are some of my reasons: 1) Movement Speed Quints allow you to delay your boots for a second gold gen item as Sona if you grab W at level 3 or 4. 2) AD Quints allow for powerful harass. 3) Flat Armour Quints give a squishy Sona some more survivability. 4) Avarice gives 7 wards in the phase of a 30 minute game, which isn't too bad... guess it's up to personal preference. Items > As above, you can grab 2x GoldGen before [[boots of speed]] if you grab an earlier level in [[song of celerity]]. I would also remove that [[vision ward]] and replace it with [[oracle's elixir]] and [[sight ward]]. You mention in your guide that the jungler should get Oracles, but the support should also have it. On the S3 roll-out, Oracles will have a limited time frame, so it'll be interesting how the lane mechanics will change. Ability Sequence > As above. Masteries > Are interesting. Upcoming rework will throw your choices in the air, it'll be insightful to see how you adapt to the changes. Personally, as a support main in ranked, I used to run 1/21/8. I now run something like 1/8/21. Having [[exhaust]] back up before the enemy support allows for more skirmishes that will go in your favour, in addition to more CDR. Masteries on supports are heavily personal preference and depend completely on style of play. [h2]Guide[/h2] ---------------------- [b]Introduction >[/b] Hmm. I'd be wary here. It is never better for the support with support runes and masteries and starting items to transition into the ADC/APC, even if they have stolen the majority of the kills. Mentioning being "forced into that role" isn't something you should do. If you are the support for the game, you are the support. If you are the support, steal a couple of kills and then start stealing CS due to suddenly have 3x Doran's Blades, you're only screwing your team over by splitting the farm and kills bot lane, creating two weak ADCs and losing a support for your team. The thing about being a support is that even if you do manage to get fed, it's better for the entire team if you buy those team items - not if you decide you are now the ADC/APC. [b]Masteries >[/b] This needs a little bit of a rework. With S3 coming out, a lot of this description will be rendered useless, so start thinking now about which set-ups are the most viable/easiest to remember for people to use in their own games. At the very least, make it clear: "1/15/14" in large text above the mastery code, or before the text etc. [b]Runes >[/b] Never Seals of Warding, Glyphs of Replenishment or Glyphs of Resilience. What about MS Quints, or AD Quints? Give them a go, and tell me the outcome :) [b]Summoner Spells >[/b] Explanation for Teleport includes backdooring o.o I'd remove both Teleport and Cleanse from your list and just show four summoner spells by two columns, two rows. Allows you to write more for each spell and also removes spells you'd never really take as a support. [b]Items >[/b] Items you don't grab should be spoilered. [b]Item Routes >[/b] Not sure why you've included the build names before the builds, just seems odd and a waste of space. Zeke's Herald Rush: Makes more sense to grab the Philo Stone over the HoG. Offensive Support: Is interesting, but never get DFG on a support. I like the Abyssal choice though. Tonnes of Manna Support: Is an awful support build and you should feel bad, lol. Don't include this, or if you do, put it in a spoiler. AP/AD Sona: These builds should be included in the aforementioned spoiler. [b]Gameplay >[/b] You need to break up the monotony here. Adding simple titles like "Level 1", "Level 2-4" etc will give the readers the option of skipping "chapters" and/or keeps them knowledgeable of what's coming next. [h2]Score[/h2] ------------------------- [b]Appearance >[/b] 2. I feel there is room for improvement in terms of visual aesthetics. Your guide is very text heavy, and it involves a lot of commitment and time to read it. Sprucing the guide up with pictures, graphics (such as warding images, ability ranges etc) and colour will give visual learners something to keep them entertained while they read. The current coding you have now is fine. [b]Content >[/b] 2.5. Your guide is heavy in information. It covers pretty much everything I'd want to know about Support Sona. Some sections are lacking in terms of explicit information. The runes section, for example, I felt could have been explained better. However, you completely exceed all expectations with the Gameplay section which is both in-depth and incredibly useful if the reader manages to read it all :) [b]Viability >[/b] 3. Your guide is heavy in information. It covers pretty much everything I'd want to know about Support Sona... and ADC Sona and APC Sona. These aren't viable builds. In addition to that, you mention some slightly less viable runes. My biggest gripe is with the delayed E. Why does Caitlyn start with traps? Why does Corki start with Valkyrie? Why does Kog start with Ooze? I'm not suggesting that Sona start with [[song of celerity]], I'm suggesting that it is a very good skill to pick up earlier in case of jungle gank, or skirmish gone wrong. [b]Total Score >[/b] 7.5 = Upvote (receivable upon reply in this thread)[/spoiler] [/quote] Thanks for the review =D +rep I've been debating as to whether I would ask for a review now or until I update the guide for S3. But I guess having it reviewed now would help in knowing what I'd need to look out for when I update it. [spoiler=Answers] 1. Runes > I've been giving MS Quints some thoughts lately, as I've spoken to a couple of people who have told me to try it out. Not sure about AD Quints, but I can say based on my experience, I prefer HP Quints over Flat Armour Quints for her specifically. 2. Items and Ability Sequence > I guess I personally prefer going for [[Boots of Speed]] before [[Heart of Gold]], but I've been told a couple of times to give this a chance, so I'll be giving it a try when I get to play her again (Been mostly stuck as the jungler nowadays, and I've been giving AD carry a try so I can't play her as often as I used to). And because of that, I mainly level up [[Hymn of Valor]] to keep up the pressure early on. 3. Masteries > I also used to run 1/8/21, but her most recent nerf really forced me to either go 1/21/8 or 1/15/14 to make her not as killable as she would be with 1/8/21. 4. Introduction > I guess when I said "forced in the role", I meant when you've locked in, but then somebody goes "I'm not gonna go top/mid" and no one else wants to and you don't want to dodge. And there's also one time when we were all locked in and our [[Teemo]] (Who was top) says that we needed a tank. So he switches to [[Garen]]. As soon as the game loads, he says "I can't play top". So I had to whip out my AP build for her since only I had the balls to say something and having the 1/15/14 masteries helped out a bit against the enemy [[Teemo]] surprisingly. 5. Masteries > Will do so. I can't log into PBE recently because the queue has always been OVER 9000, so I couldn't really experiment in advance. 6. Runes > I'll be giving those a go when I manage to grab them. 7. Summoner Spells > I've been successful at backdooring like a baws with her from a couple of games in the past, lol. Will do so. 8. Items > Same as above. 9. Item Routes > I had the names there so that people would know what that build is for generally speaking. I grab HoG in the Zeke's Rush mostly because since your carry is getting fed, you're most likely going to be engaging in more fights. So having that extra HP is more beneficial over the extra Mana and HP regen of Philo. Any suggestions for replacing DFG? Been thinking for a while, and I couldn't think up of one in particular. Will remove that when I update the guide. 10. Gameplay > I guess I kinda wanted to avoid using those since a couple of other [[Sona]] guides used that in their gameplay sections, and I didn't want to sound like I was copying them or something. 11. Appearance > Still working on making it look better. I just don't really have much of a clue on where or how to start without compromising the information. 12. Content > Thank you =) I'll be sure to explain the Runes section more when I update the guide for S3. [/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]Viola Orpheus ------------------------------- Introduction: Sure :3 Just make that a little clearer then :) Backdooring: o.o Really. In my experience, a support alone, is a support dead. Zeke's Rush: But you start with a Faerie Charm - it costs less to upgrade to PhiloStone, rather than ignore that FC and outright buy HoG. Gameplay: I've found that I incorporate everything I possibly can into my guides. If another Ashe guide has pretty pictures, I'll do the same. Whatever my guide is lacking, and is being fulfilled by another guide - that's more chances for the person to read the other guide over mine ^^ Appearance: You don't have to do much. You never have to sacrifice content/information for aesthetics. Visuals only compliment information. Thanks for replying, voted +1 on your Sona guide ^^[/quote]

[quote=Viola Orpheus][quote=jhoijhoi] Viola Orpheus ------------------------------- Introduction: Sure :3 Just make that a little clearer then :) Backdooring: o.o Really. In my experience, a support alone, is a support dead. Zeke's Rush: But you start with a Faerie Charm - it costs less to upgrade to PhiloStone, rather than ignore that FC and outright buy HoG. Gameplay: I've found that I incorporate everything I possibly can into my guides. If another Ashe guide has pretty pictures, I'll do the same. Whatever my guide is lacking, and is being fulfilled by another guide - that's more chances for the person to read the other guide over mine ^^ Appearance: You don't have to do much. You never have to sacrifice content/information for aesthetics. Visuals only compliment information. Thanks for replying, voted +1 on your Sona guide ^^ [/quote] Backdooring: Well we had a pretty strong team comp during those times when I backdoor'd. So if they sent someone to take me out, then my teammates can engage a fight with the rest and win it no problem. Zeke's Rush: I just double checked it and noticed that I forgot to keep the FC in there. But after thinking about it, the Philo buy seems to be better than the HoG buy. Gameplay: It's mostly just me being worried about being called a copycat or something. Since I feel that it's kinda similar to Mowen's Sona guide (With a few added stuff in it). Thanks again for the review and the upvote =)[/quote]