Orianna Discussion

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Again, as said in the post y'all are quoting, I don't think champs like that are support.. Orianna is about as much of a support as Lux or Nidalee is....=_=[/quote]

[quote=Sacull_Kinslayer]She isn't support as much as she has some support utility. I actually level her shield up second. I level command ball last. I like to be able to offer a little support to my tanks. And I love to bounce her abilities off the front line. Her ult going off from your tank is a like a swift kick in the ball to the other team.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]lol in the ball since she uses a ball lol[/quote]

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[quote=Max Carter][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] Again, as said in the post y'all are quoting, I don't think champs like that are support.. Orianna is about as much of a support as Lux or Nidalee is....=_= [/quote] Yes, exactly, but you shouldnt build her support, as Temzilla was defending in the 3rd post... [quote=Temzilla] When was AP agreed as a viable build over Support :(? Orianna is a great babysitter, why can't she just be played that way >_>? [/quote] He can bring whatever argument he wants, orianna isnt a support, and MUST be build like nuker - My opinion[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]^not opinion, facts! :D[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]Orianna is a support much in the way Zilean, Gragas, Nidalee, and Lux are played - more as an auxiliary caster than anything. They don't bring as much intense, pure AP damage to the table as a normal AP mage, but they bring far more utility. I believe Orianna belongs in a solo lane; she works best in mid, and I doubt her potential top with the exception of ball-checking. Many solo top laners use the brush to their advantage to secure lane dominance without even having to harass; Orianna can stop this by getting vision with her ball. She should most certainly start with a [[regrowth pendant]] and one [[health potion]]; this solves her early mana problems fairly quickly by being able to recall and get a [[philosopher's stone]]. This offsets much of the mana costs until she can get a [[tear of the goddess]] and/or a [[catalyst the protector]], whatever your preference is. In lane, I think Orianna should mostly be focusing on zoning the enemy champion - her lane presence is so strong, and in combination with a [[philosopher's stone]] she can focus less on CS and more on shutting down the enemy in lane. That's not to say don't farm, but by all means don't play passively. Some people say [[lich bane]], some people say [[nashor's tooth]]. My personal opinion is that you won't be able to AA enough to make [[nashor's tooth]] worth your while, and [[ionian boots of lucidity]] should be enough to get good CDR with blue buff/blue pot. [[lich bane]] is far better, and you should be utilizing every opportunity to throw an auto attack at the enemy. In terms of late-game playstyle; I think the focus should be more disruption than damage. Don't move the ball through all 5 enemies and make it land by the tank, just hit the enemy AP/AD carry and disrupt with [[command: dissonance]] and [[command: shockwave]]. Then, shield the person who's the target of their spells and speed your allies up. Orianna's utility should be prioritized over her damage. That's not to say don't deal damage, but if you have to choose between hurting your enemies and helping your allies, the latter will be more beneficial overall. Well, that's my essay on how I think Orianna should be played![/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]^no lich bane don't focus on ur auto attack, just BALL IT and also I experimented a lot and starting with a ring + AP quints is much better, 30 AP off the bat and nice HP and regen, sets you back A LITTLE on your philo but np also, I think she is better early laning phase duo than solo, although she CAN hold her own solo; I think this because she can net her ally many kills with protect + haste and slow...get yourself and ally fed early on, very nice :) and if you look at that JunSupport thread that I liked, Ori packs a big punch. Yes she has a lot of utility, but your theory of her not bringing as much damage as normal mages is wrong... there is no "normal" mage anyway, everyone has different special things and, she happens to be the 2nd best nuke behind Veigar in the game, according to some high Elo person who did the math with her combo and a lot of AP she instakills people plus her AoE is AMAZING for the WHOLE enemy team, you should NOT be focusing ONE person with the ball as you suggested, you should be focusing the WHOLE team to dish damage to EVERYONE.[/quote]

[quote=Sacull_Kinslayer]The most amazing thing about Ori (in my opinion) is she brings a variable to the game that you cannot account for. If Annie is out of range she cannot ult you. If Veigar is out of range he cannot nuke you. The list goes on and on. Ori can use someone else as the focus of her ult and nuke. And THAT is a variable that is so hard to account for and offers something that no other champion can do. Oh if you want CDR on her just get Morello's Evil Tome. I have used both Nasher's and Morellos on her and of the 2 I prefer Morello's.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]ya I get Morello gr8 for CDR and mana regen and AP ofc[/quote]