OTG's Evolution to a higher ELO.

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=H4xDefender] volibears kit has too many problems for him to be considered sleeper op. he definitely got better in s3 but saying he is sleeper op is a real stretch. also i feel he is not worth jungling at all, only good in top lane because of how his w works. you also want a warmogs asap which you will get a lot faster in top lane. he is a lot like singed in how he can jungle and has decent ganks and clear, but he is better with solo lane gold top. [/quote] Hasn't been a problem jungling for me because I just gank nonstop. He actually has deceptively powerful ganks because he either burns a flash or kills you if you get caught. I also just generally enjoy playing him. Gold usually isnt an issue because the only expensive item he really needs is warmogs, otherwise his build paths are quite economical.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]ganking nonstop doesn't work against people who know how to ward vs him is why. as you get higher in elo it becomes harder and harder to gank with champs like voli. when my team told me to practice him in solo queue during s2 i got so frustrated because i would fall SO far behind if just a few of my ganks failed because of his lack of sustain/mana problems if you spam everything to clear. things might have changed in s3 jungle as i haven't tested him enough yet, but i doubt it.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Hmm, true. But generally I gank early and with a vengeance. If they wise up to me I just vision ward their lane. basically I try to shut lanes down early so I can resort to jungle farming while my lanes continue dominating and show my face every once and awhile to let them know who's boss, or if someone needs my help. That last game was the rare occurance wehere I built pretty much flat tank. I usually go semi DPS with [[Statik Shiv]] and [[Atma's Impaler]].[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]I think both statikk shiv and impaler are really underrated items, although I haven't used them in conjunction with eachother 0-o.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Statikk shiv underrated... You mean where every ADC builds it every game? o.O[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I don't build them at the same time. One or the other depending on if I need more pushing power or more damage. I build avarice blade on Vbear anyway usually when Im jungling.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]I mean on champs other then adcs and melee carries. People see it and label it as an adc/melee carry item when it is more then that.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Game 1: [img=http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg585/OTGBionicArm/thresh2_zps973d3c8e.png] Top: [[Shen]] vs. [[Singed]] Mid: [[Diana]] vs. [[kayle]] Jungle: [[Lee Sin]] vs. [[Skarner]] Bot: [[Miss Fortune]]/[[Thresh]] vs. [[Kennen]]/[[Zyra]] Sad part is we were semi trying to lose. We started the game by intentionally giving [[Kayle]] first blood and another kill, all of us but one died at lvl 1, because we dived their turret "like men". This proved to have no effect on the game because even with intentional lvl 1 throwing, all of the lanes were still winning in our favor. [[Kennen]] and [[Zyra]] couldnt out damage us at bot, largely because they couldnt reach MF, I was in their way. Battle [[Shen]] beat [[Singed]]. After laning phase were made every ballsy and stupid initiation and fight in the book, and still mostly came out even or positive. Eventually they fed the troll ([[Lee Sin]]) and lost the final team fight because they focused the "marvelous Golden [[Zhonya's Hourglass]] [[lee Sin]]." Game 2: [img=http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg585/OTGBionicArm/Thresh3_zps3d00d43a.png] Top: [[Shen]] vs. [[Vladimir]] Mid: [[Twisted fate]] vs. [[Orianna]] Jungle: [[Udyr]] vs. [[hecarim]] Bot: [[Miss Fortune]]/[[Thresh]] vs. [[Corki]]/[[Taric]] Our jungler time out locked [[Udyr]] on accident. Woops. I don't really remember what happened in the other lanes, but at bot, we won the lane pretty hard, but after laning phase my carry kept wanting fights and we all quickly realized we were outcomped in fights. So we resorted largely to split pushing with TF and [[Shen]], while me, MF and [[udyr]] caught people around the map out of place; or [[Udyr]] soloing 3 people, like a man. Eventually, we baited them to baron, they got it and killed us of course, but we had stalled long enough for [[Shen]] and [[twisted fate]] to push the two towers and the nexus over. That combo is stupid. Game 3: [img=http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg585/OTGBionicArm/thresh4_zps778cc0a4.png] Top: [[Fiora]] vs. [[Akali]] Mid: [[Diana]] vs. [[Gragas]] Jungle: [[Olaf]] vs. [[Shaco]] Bot: [[Miss Fortune]]/[[Thresh]] vs. [[Draven]]/[[Leona]] I'm actually really proud of this game because three of the players on the enemy team were 1900 elo. ([[Draven]], [[Shaco]], and [[Akali]].) We won bot lane because [[Draven]] got greedy and I made a pretty boss play with [[Dark Passage]], clutch shielding MF long enough for me to FB [[Draven]] under our tower, MF survived. After that, we largely won any actual committed fight between us and them, though MF was very afraid of [[Draven]]'s Q. I don't blame him. [[Shaco]] was an unstoppable mad man though, and we couldn't do much about it. We almost lost to [[Shaco]] alone, until his team got caught and killed and he attempted to base race us. We pushed the two nexus towers and he homeguarded back to die for some reason. We picked the rest of them off as they spawned and won the game.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Y u no post 2nd loss game They didn't play it with you?[/quote]

[quote=-NA- Veng Lmfao]nice job![/quote]