7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Mooninites][quote=H4xDefender] Won't be updating for a bit, going 100% bootcamp into this next coke split, play-ins are on saturday and sunday. Its all or nothing for me. [/quote] good luck, you got this, remember your training[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] New BT seems good. The Bloodthirster Item Cost: 3500 Recipe Cost: 1150 +80 Attack Damage +15% Life Steal UNIQUE Passive: +10% Bonus Attack Damage UNIQUE Passive: Your lifesteal can now overheal you. Excess life is stored as a shield that can block 50-350 damage, based on champion level. This shield decays slowly if you haven't dealt or taken damage in the last 25 seconds. (Bonus Attack Damage is any Attack Damage from buffs,items and masteries) [/quote] Seems pretty crappy to me. They nerfed the shield big time, I mean it's fun that it can stay up longer but the lower amount makes it a lot worse. 10% bonus AD is okay but nowhere near as strong as IE, which, mathematically speaking, gives you 37.5% damage increase on your basic attacks by itself; this increases by having more crit chance. It might make it slightly more appealing for champions such as [[Riven]] but it won't make a change in the adc department. [/quote] Shield sucked so its still a buff you get more dmg for same price do you not understand what a buff means. [/quote] Shield's fairly strong late-game, but now they lowered the shield value by a good amount. The tradeoff would be that it decays less fast, but it's pretty easy to keep up late-game when pushing with your team. Also no I don't understand what a buff means, please explain it to me... ...Fucking idiot! [/quote] You should stop playing this game if you dont understand basics of it you dont know what a buff is are you retarded. Yet you act like your all this big shit who knows alot about the game.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Cooper112] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] New BT seems good. The Bloodthirster Item Cost: 3500 Recipe Cost: 1150 +80 Attack Damage +15% Life Steal UNIQUE Passive: +10% Bonus Attack Damage UNIQUE Passive: Your lifesteal can now overheal you. Excess life is stored as a shield that can block 50-350 damage, based on champion level. This shield decays slowly if you haven't dealt or taken damage in the last 25 seconds. (Bonus Attack Damage is any Attack Damage from buffs,items and masteries) [/quote] Seems pretty crappy to me. They nerfed the shield big time, I mean it's fun that it can stay up longer but the lower amount makes it a lot worse. 10% bonus AD is okay but nowhere near as strong as IE, which, mathematically speaking, gives you 37.5% damage increase on your basic attacks by itself; this increases by having more crit chance. It might make it slightly more appealing for champions such as [[Riven]] but it won't make a change in the adc department. [/quote] Shield sucked so its still a buff you get more dmg for same price do you not understand what a buff means. [/quote] Shield's fairly strong late-game, but now they lowered the shield value by a good amount. The tradeoff would be that it decays less fast, but it's pretty easy to keep up late-game when pushing with your team. Also no I don't understand what a buff means, please explain it to me... ...Fucking idiot! [/quote] You should stop playing this game if you dont understand basics of it you dont know what a buff is are you retarded. Yet you act like your all this big shit who knows alot about the game. [/quote] I never said that generally speaking it wasn't a buff. I said that they nerfed the shield value which is 100% accurate, which would make it less appealing for squishy characters (e.g. AD carries) late-game, which is also a completely accurate statement. Then I pointed out that IE will still be a much stronger item to rush for ADCs, so that it does not matter anything for the AD carries, but that it might change things for champions such as [[Riven]]. You should honestly just quit having discussions with people because you have apparently no ability to write, read, or even comprehend the simplest of statements.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] New BT seems good. The Bloodthirster Item Cost: 3500 Recipe Cost: 1150 +80 Attack Damage +15% Life Steal UNIQUE Passive: +10% Bonus Attack Damage UNIQUE Passive: Your lifesteal can now overheal you. Excess life is stored as a shield that can block 50-350 damage, based on champion level. This shield decays slowly if you haven't dealt or taken damage in the last 25 seconds. (Bonus Attack Damage is any Attack Damage from buffs,items and masteries) [/quote] Seems pretty crappy to me. They nerfed the shield big time, I mean it's fun that it can stay up longer but the lower amount makes it a lot worse. 10% bonus AD is okay but nowhere near as strong as IE, which, mathematically speaking, gives you 37.5% damage increase on your basic attacks by itself; this increases by having more crit chance. It might make it slightly more appealing for champions such as [[Riven]] but it won't make a change in the adc department. [/quote] Shield sucked so its still a buff you get more dmg for same price do you not understand what a buff means. [/quote] Shield's fairly strong late-game, but now they lowered the shield value by a good amount. The tradeoff would be that it decays less fast, but it's pretty easy to keep up late-game when pushing with your team. Also no I don't understand what a buff means, please explain it to me... ...Fucking idiot! [/quote] You should stop playing this game if you dont understand basics of it you dont know what a buff is are you retarded. Yet you act like your all this big shit who knows alot about the game. [/quote] I never said that generally speaking it wasn't a buff. I said that they nerfed the shield value which is 100% accurate, which would make it less appealing for squishy characters (e.g. AD carries) late-game, which is also a completely accurate statement. Then I pointed out that IE will still be a much stronger item to rush for ADCs, so that it does not matter anything for the AD carries, but that it might change things for champions such as [[Riven]]. You should honestly just quit having discussions with people because you have apparently no ability to write, read, or even comprehend the simplest of statements. [/quote] The shield was not nerf the fact that it lasts longer is better than it being slight stronger in value. The buffs do matter to adcs... seriously stop just stop its more dmg on anyone not just fucking riven. The ad you will get from bt,trinity and last whisper on champs like corki will be better it will work similar to zeds w i like i said it might make up for fact that bt gives less ad now but not instead of stacking with minions its items. So after 3 items it will prob be similar in power or better than old bt and you dont lose it on death.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Cooper112] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] New BT seems good. The Bloodthirster Item Cost: 3500 Recipe Cost: 1150 +80 Attack Damage +15% Life Steal UNIQUE Passive: +10% Bonus Attack Damage UNIQUE Passive: Your lifesteal can now overheal you. Excess life is stored as a shield that can block 50-350 damage, based on champion level. This shield decays slowly if you haven't dealt or taken damage in the last 25 seconds. (Bonus Attack Damage is any Attack Damage from buffs,items and masteries) [/quote] Seems pretty crappy to me. They nerfed the shield big time, I mean it's fun that it can stay up longer but the lower amount makes it a lot worse. 10% bonus AD is okay but nowhere near as strong as IE, which, mathematically speaking, gives you 37.5% damage increase on your basic attacks by itself; this increases by having more crit chance. It might make it slightly more appealing for champions such as [[Riven]] but it won't make a change in the adc department. [/quote] Shield sucked so its still a buff you get more dmg for same price do you not understand what a buff means. [/quote] Shield's fairly strong late-game, but now they lowered the shield value by a good amount. The tradeoff would be that it decays less fast, but it's pretty easy to keep up late-game when pushing with your team. Also no I don't understand what a buff means, please explain it to me... ...Fucking idiot! [/quote] You should stop playing this game if you dont understand basics of it you dont know what a buff is are you retarded. Yet you act like your all this big shit who knows alot about the game. [/quote] I never said that generally speaking it wasn't a buff. I said that they nerfed the shield value which is 100% accurate, which would make it less appealing for squishy characters (e.g. AD carries) late-game, which is also a completely accurate statement. Then I pointed out that IE will still be a much stronger item to rush for ADCs, so that it does not matter anything for the AD carries, but that it might change things for champions such as [[Riven]]. You should honestly just quit having discussions with people because you have apparently no ability to write, read, or even comprehend the simplest of statements. [/quote] The shield was not nerf the fact that it lasts longer is better than it being slight stronger in value. The buffs do matter to adcs... seriously stop just stop its more dmg on anyone not just fucking riven. The ad you will get from bt,trinity and last whisper on champs like corki will be better it will work similar to zeds w i like i said it might make up for fact that bt gives less ad now but not instead of stacking with minions its items. So after 3 items it will prob be similar in power or better than old bt and you dont lose it on death. [/quote] Crit chance is, mathematically speaking, a percentual increase of your AA damage (i.e. 25% crit chance means that on average, your standard attacks deal 25% more damage). Crit damage is, mathematically speaking, a percentual increase of your crit chance (i.e. 50% crit damage means that on average, your crit chance is increased by 50%). By that logic, IE, on its own, without any AD or crit chance, increases your AA damage by 80 * (1 + 0.25 * 1.50) = 80 * 1.375 = 110. New BT, on its own, increases your AA damage by 88 (80 + 10% of bonus AD). Now the difference is significant, and the price of IE is only 300g higher. Also, do mind that IE makes all the crit chance you buy essentially 50% more effective. Yes some adcs such as [[Lucian]] and [[Corki]] have significant bonus AD scalings on their abilities, but BT's AD is only marginally higher than IE's while prior to patch 4.10, BT was 600g cheaper and provided 20 more AD right off the bat (and then we aren't even talking about the life steal). Recapping, IE is only slightly more expensive than BT but simply provides more stats an ADC wants and overall synergises better with their role and their kits. Right now, ADCs aren't looking for more damage late-game, so the damage but less shield tradeoff will not adjust the current issues. The fact that it will take longer for decay to set in is very welcome of course, but I don't think that was the major issue. P.S. The fact I bring up [[Riven]] is because of her ultimate. BT is likely going to increase the bonus AD granted by [[Blade of the Exile]] which will, in turn, increase the bonus AD granted by BT, which will then, in turn, be increased by [[Blade of the Exile]] and so on. Thus rendering the new BT a lot more efficient on [[Riven]]. P.P.S. New BT is back to its old AD value (before patch 4.10) after picking up LW and IE first, ignoring masteries and runes of course.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]wow haha gmd how can you not know what a buff is haha what a noob hahaha[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Cooper112] New BT seems good. The Bloodthirster Item Cost: 3500 Recipe Cost: 1150 +80 Attack Damage +15% Life Steal UNIQUE Passive: +10% Bonus Attack Damage UNIQUE Passive: Your lifesteal can now overheal you. Excess life is stored as a shield that can block 50-350 damage, based on champion level. This shield decays slowly if you haven't dealt or taken damage in the last 25 seconds. (Bonus Attack Damage is any Attack Damage from buffs,items and masteries) [/quote] Seems pretty crappy to me. They nerfed the shield big time, I mean it's fun that it can stay up longer but the lower amount makes it a lot worse. 10% bonus AD is okay but nowhere near as strong as IE, which, mathematically speaking, gives you 37.5% damage increase on your basic attacks by itself; this increases by having more crit chance. It might make it slightly more appealing for champions such as [[Riven]] but it won't make a change in the adc department. [/quote] Shield sucked so its still a buff you get more dmg for same price do you not understand what a buff means. [/quote] Shield's fairly strong late-game, but now they lowered the shield value by a good amount. The tradeoff would be that it decays less fast, but it's pretty easy to keep up late-game when pushing with your team. Also no I don't understand what a buff means, please explain it to me... ...Fucking idiot! [/quote] You should stop playing this game if you dont understand basics of it you dont know what a buff is are you retarded. Yet you act like your all this big shit who knows alot about the game. [/quote] I never said that generally speaking it wasn't a buff. I said that they nerfed the shield value which is 100% accurate, which would make it less appealing for squishy characters (e.g. AD carries) late-game, which is also a completely accurate statement. Then I pointed out that IE will still be a much stronger item to rush for ADCs, so that it does not matter anything for the AD carries, but that it might change things for champions such as [[Riven]]. You should honestly just quit having discussions with people because you have apparently no ability to write, read, or even comprehend the simplest of statements. [/quote] The shield was not nerf the fact that it lasts longer is better than it being slight stronger in value. The buffs do matter to adcs... seriously stop just stop its more dmg on anyone not just fucking riven. The ad you will get from bt,trinity and last whisper on champs like corki will be better it will work similar to zeds w i like i said it might make up for fact that bt gives less ad now but not instead of stacking with minions its items. So after 3 items it will prob be similar in power or better than old bt and you dont lose it on death. [/quote] Crit chance is, mathematically speaking, a percentual increase of your AA damage (i.e. 25% crit chance means that on average, your standard attacks deal 25% more damage). Crit damage is, mathematically speaking, a percentual increase of your crit chance (i.e. 50% crit damage means that on average, your crit chance is increased by 50%). By that logic, IE, on its own, without any AD or crit chance, increases your AA damage by 80 * (1 + 0.25 * 1.50) = 80 * 1.375 = 110. New BT, on its own, increases your AA damage by 88 (80 + 10% of bonus AD). Now the difference is significant, and the price of IE is only 300g higher. Also, do mind that IE makes all the crit chance you buy essentially 50% more effective. Yes some adcs such as [[Lucian]] and [[Corki]] have significant bonus AD scalings on their abilities, but BT's AD is only marginally higher than IE's while prior to patch 4.10, BT was 600g cheaper and provided 20 more AD right off the bat (and then we aren't even talking about the life steal). Recapping, IE is only slightly more expensive than BT but simply provides more stats an ADC wants and overall synergises better with their role and their kits. Right now, ADCs aren't looking for more damage late-game, so the damage but less shield tradeoff will not adjust the current issues. The fact that it will take longer for decay to set in is very welcome of course, but I don't think that was the major issue. P.S. The fact I bring up [[Riven]] is because of her ultimate. BT is likely going to increase the bonus AD granted by [[Blade of the Exile]] which will, in turn, increase the bonus AD granted by BT, which will then, in turn, be increased by [[Blade of the Exile]] and so on. Thus rendering the new BT a lot more efficient on [[Riven]]. P.P.S. New BT is back to its old AD value (before patch 4.10) after picking up LW and IE first, ignoring masteries and runes of course. [/quote] You should stop shit-talking a guy who obviously knows more about the game than you.. [i]Especially when you don't even know what a buff is[/i]...[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]i dont think i can ever take GMD seriously ever again if he doesnt even know what a buff is hahaha[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD]WOW You guys are bullies... *tear*[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]I hope I don't have you on my team on today's inhouses, I really don't feel like coaching you about the game while playing :^)[/quote]