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Extise wrote:
I do not understand you. But I'll try to answer. Riven Guide And no it's not here at the top ten : Top Ten I don't even say that this Guide is one of the best Guides on Mobafire 'cause it isn't , you said that ... You are so confusing...
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what is your purpose of quoting yourself and then adding something new?
Please do show me 1 riven guide that is from a "non-official" which is better than the current nr. 1 rated riven guide.
Please do show me 1 riven guide that is from a "non-official" which is better than the current nr. 1 rated riven guide.
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I think part of it is that the members who have been around for a while (Scouts, Vets and Mods) get a pretty good sense of their capabilities as well as what a good guide looks like. The ones that actually have the know-how and the motivation to write guides will generally write good ones. Then you'll usually see a lot of other vets and scouts that are friends on the author swing by to give the first round of criticism, which means these guides get a lot of feedback quickly and can improve right away.
I don't think there's a problem where voters just see a scout/vet/mod tag and upvote. I think it's that scouts/vets/mods tend to write better guides because they have more experience with what voters like to see as well as access to some of the more reliable sources of criticism.
And yes, some of these members became prominent after they wrote a top-rated guide. I wasn't even very active on the forums before I wrote my Alistar guide, which rose to the top of the list pretty quickly (though looking back on it, it was actually pretty bad :P). I had I believe 3 top guides before I was promoted to veteran (this was before the editor/scout system). Prominent guide authors tend to become more invested in the site, and thus earn Rep, get more attention, post more often and more helpfully and get promoted.
You're right that quality guides and prominent forum members are connected, but I don't think that popularity on the forums is what's netting all these votes. There are problems with the voting system, but to be honest, I don't think this is one of them.
I don't think there's a problem where voters just see a scout/vet/mod tag and upvote. I think it's that scouts/vets/mods tend to write better guides because they have more experience with what voters like to see as well as access to some of the more reliable sources of criticism.
And yes, some of these members became prominent after they wrote a top-rated guide. I wasn't even very active on the forums before I wrote my Alistar guide, which rose to the top of the list pretty quickly (though looking back on it, it was actually pretty bad :P). I had I believe 3 top guides before I was promoted to veteran (this was before the editor/scout system). Prominent guide authors tend to become more invested in the site, and thus earn Rep, get more attention, post more often and more helpfully and get promoted.
You're right that quality guides and prominent forum members are connected, but I don't think that popularity on the forums is what's netting all these votes. There are problems with the voting system, but to be honest, I don't think this is one of them.
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Extise wrote:
You say on yourself that they got voted 'cause they are popular so it's largely true. I think I have no rights to create a better system ;). I also think that many guides of Vets are good and some of them maybe should get to the top but not so many , or even everyone.
No, I said it was the case "sometimes".
I started off with my Ashe guide, and the first... 20 votes were from a mix of new members and old. I even got downvoted by a few prominent members at the time.
Then I wrote another guide, and another... and then my Making a Guide Guide. I also created the first review shop, reviewed hundreds of guides... made a signature store, made hundreds of signatures.
Eventually I got promoted to vet.
Like Matt said, most vets are vets due to their guides, or helpful contributions to MobaFire. Off the top of my head, Tosh, Wayne and Jeffy are prime examples of vets who don't have guides but gain +rep in other ways.
Vets are no different to regular users when voting. If I make a guide, my friends will vote on it; that may include Psi, Wayne, Wrath etc. If you make a guide, your friends will vote on it; Tom, ****, Harry etc.
tldr; friends will upvote friends. Vets over time become friends with each other, just the way colleagues would at work. And even if you aren't a friend with a certain person, you can still upvote their guide/give some constructive criticism because you care about the site and want to improve the quality of guides on MobaFire, and you KNOW that a vet needs to have a decent guide, otherwise the vet name would be slammed 8D
Then I wrote another guide, and another... and then my Making a Guide Guide. I also created the first review shop, reviewed hundreds of guides... made a signature store, made hundreds of signatures.
Eventually I got promoted to vet.
Like Matt said, most vets are vets due to their guides, or helpful contributions to MobaFire. Off the top of my head, Tosh, Wayne and Jeffy are prime examples of vets who don't have guides but gain +rep in other ways.
Vets are no different to regular users when voting. If I make a guide, my friends will vote on it; that may include Psi, Wayne, Wrath etc. If you make a guide, your friends will vote on it; Tom, ****, Harry etc.
tldr; friends will upvote friends. Vets over time become friends with each other, just the way colleagues would at work. And even if you aren't a friend with a certain person, you can still upvote their guide/give some constructive criticism because you care about the site and want to improve the quality of guides on MobaFire, and you KNOW that a vet needs to have a decent guide, otherwise the vet name would be slammed 8D
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seriously who came up with the idea that richard should be sortened into ****?
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Well anyways it's just like what everyone said. Vets are vets because they write excellent quality guides. Sure there are some votes based on popularity but a good guide is still a good guide. I highly doubt that 250+, 500+, or 1000+ votes are solely based on the popularity/status of the writer and not on the quality of the guide.
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Because most of the Vets on this site are people with good knowledge about the game, or the champion they are playing.
They are also well known by the community, and therefore more people are willing to vote on his/her guide.
If a vet writes a bad guide, other vets actually downvote and/or point out what's wrong with it.
Good guide + a lot of exposure = high ratings.
Bad guide + a lot of exposure = medium-low ratings.
Good or bad guide + no exposure = no ratings.
They are also well known by the community, and therefore more people are willing to vote on his/her guide.
If a vet writes a bad guide, other vets actually downvote and/or point out what's wrong with it.
Good guide + a lot of exposure = high ratings.
Bad guide + a lot of exposure = medium-low ratings.
Good or bad guide + no exposure = no ratings.
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Let me quote you:
Yeah but the thing is that when at a Champ ( Example Riven ) the Guide is written by a Vet/Scout/Mod it got only at the Top 'cause he's a Scout.
The top rated guide is the 2nd best guide on the whole of mobafire. Only guide which is actually better is the number 4 guide which is written by a Vet. I put this as an invalidator of your argument, just because your argument is contradicting itself.
summary:
>Top only because scout
>Guide is actually one of the best guides on mobafire
Pick one god dammit.