New Items: Essence Reaver and Ardent Censer

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Hey Mobafire. OTG here and new patch just went up so I thought I'd make a thread to talk about the new items. [center] Essence Reaver 2650 gold [[Vampiric Scepter]]+[[PickAxe]] +50 AD +10% Lifesteal +10% Cooldown Reduction Unique Passive: You gain 2-8% of damage dealt by basic attacks as Mana. This effect increases based on how much mana you are missing. Ardent Censer 2200 gold [[Forbidden idol]]+[[aether Wisp]] +30 AP +10 Mana Regen per 5 seconds +10% Cooldown Reduction Unique Passive: +8% Movement Speed Unique Passive: Your heals and shields on another unit grant 25% attack speed for 6 seconds. [/center] So what do you think of these items guys? What champions will you be building them on? Personally I think Essence Reaver is very niche, but will be testing it on [[Graves]] and [[Ezreal]]. [[Jayce]] is another possibility, but I doubt it will make much use on assassins like [[Talon]]. As for Ardent Censer, it seems great as a rush item if your ADC is ahead or scales heavily on AS like [[vayne]], but it may run into the [[Zeke's herald]] issue of not holding up late game. Will be testing it on [[Nami]]. Sidenote; anyone know if the passive is effected by item created shields like [[Locket of the iron solari]] or [[face of the mountain]]?[/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe]I use essence reaver on Gangplank for permaheals and on Poppy for less recall action :P EDIT: Just tried it on AD Sion top as well. I can actually use my spells during the lane now, its great :D[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]Sounds like essence reaver will be pretty strong on Jayce. All the stats are very useful on him and you can now just buy this instead of having to wait for your tear to stack up. Also, new nidalee possibly?[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Essence Reaver on new Nidalee? She's still AP afaik. In a short test I just did though I determined two things; [[Ezreal]]'s Q has pretty much no cost with this item, spam for days. Also, [[pickaxe]]+[[vampiric scepter]] seems like a strong first pack purchase for any champion that would buy the item.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Essence Reaver looks like it's probably a noob trap on ADC to me.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I was thinking the same thing to be honest, Luther. Perhaps if they upped the CDR to 15% or something. They are clearly trying to cater to caster type carries, so why not give them a bit more of what they are probably buying the item for. Oh and while we're on the topic; [[the bloodthirster]] rework. What do you guys think of that?[/quote]

[quote=Firehusary]Essense ISN'T for any ADC because of only 50 AD. But with Poppy or Panth... Why not? xD[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=OTGBionicArm] Oh and while we're on the topic; [[the bloodthirster]] rework. What do you guys think of that? [/quote] I think it looks kinda crappy and no one's going to rush it anymore. :/[/quote]

[quote=Khazem][quote=OTGBionicArm] Essence Reaver on new Nidalee? She's still AP afaik. [/quote] I disagree, but then I'm not sure if she's ever going to need any mana as a bruiser so it's probably not a great choice either way. It's something I want to try at least though.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Firehusary] Essense ISN'T for any ADC because of only 50 AD. But with Poppy or Panth... Why not? xD [/quote] I'd disagree with this statement. The item is designed for AD casters with good early games to abuse but have trouble managing mana, but also are required to auto attack, a lot. [[Graves]] instantly comes to mind when you look at the item. If anything it's terrible on the champions you suggested because [[Pantheon]] seldom has to auto attack outside of farming, and [[poppy]] would probably like more utility out of her items. Someone feel free to correct me on that, because I hate her and don't really know anything about her itemization. But anyway yea, point being, this item seems like, a heavy early game investment on certain champions. By buying it you're saying "I'm gonna spam the shit out of all my abilities early-mid game until this item stops being useful." Since most "AD Caster" carries are early-mid game oriented anyway, it likely evens out if you can capitalize on your powerspike with the item.[/quote]