New Items: Essence Reaver and Ardent Censer

[quote=H4xDefender]If censer works on locket I can see it being good lategame provided the attackspeed stays on even if the shield is broken. As for reaver, the item seems like it is literally ONLY good on gangplank. Do not build this item on jayce, muramana is 1000x better. New BT looks ok. Not sure about that yet.[/quote]

[quote=Zordagoth]To be honest i tried the reaver on jayce and i prefer it over muramana cos you don't have to wait an eternity for the stacks. The passive of reaver synergise well with his auto hammer. And anyway as you won't probably build any other mana item on jayce, the amount of AD that muramana will give you is not gonna be much higher, + the cdr is cool. But i can be wrong on that, i'm not jayce main nor high elo player Edit : Also, i don't like it on poppy. She already needs a shit ton of gold to start raping everyone, i won't delay it for some mana trouble ._.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][center] [url=http://i.imgur.com/iNPdq0e.png][img=http://i.imgur.com/iNPdq0e.png width=500][/url] [/center] So me and Nameless tried the new items and I've come to this assessment. The mana sustain felt underwhelming. I could spam for days but I definitely wasn't being kept from being oom. The itemization was weird but I still felt strong. New BT feels dumb. Instead of taking 1/4th of my health from a draven Q crit, i only took 1/10th. Pretty baller. As for Ardent Censer, me and Nameless literally felt 0 impact of this item and she actually sold it almost immediately upon purchasing it. For reference: I rushed Reaver, into LW and zerkers greaves, then BT and Triforce.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]the real issue is it costs the same as [[morellonomicon]] and that item is better in basically every respect. It was sort of ok in lane, but once we left lane I might as well have not had it. Also the mikael's change doesn't really make any difference, I'd still buy it most of the time.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=OTGBionicArm] As for Ardent Censer, me and Nameless literally felt 0 impact of this item and she actually sold it almost immediately upon purchasing it. [/quote] Well, Graves doesn't care too much about the AS, and Soraka doesn't exactly reward anyone when she heals them. Janna/Lulu are "better" choices for the item. In Janna's case, it also gives towers an AS boost, so there's that I suppose. :I[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]OTG, what in the world are you doing with a Triforce on [[Graves]]?[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Silly, silly things, Wayne.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Lugignaf] Well, Graves doesn't care too much about the AS, and Soraka doesn't exactly reward anyone when she heals them. Janna/Lulu are "better" choices for the item. In Janna's case, it also gives towers an AS boost, so there's that I suppose. :I [/quote] honestly, it's extremely situational. The base stats are incredibly poor, so the only reason to get it is because of the AS. In lane, the item was sort of OK, as the combination of extra attack speed and armor actually made it hard for Draven to duel with Graves...but outside of that, I might as well have not had it. Even on someone like Janna or Nami it would still be situational, as the stats don't make it good enough to buy without a team that benefits from a lot of AS.[/quote]

[quote=Electro522]I am really interested in seeing how Essence Reaver works with Ashe and Jinx. Both of those champs have a toggled ability that buffs their auto attack, but consumes mana every time they make an attack. Jinx should especially benefit from it because her rockets do AOE damage, giving her even more mana per auto attack. That mana can then be used to spam her W, which does a CRAP ton of damage early game. Also, with Ashe, this allows her to perma-slow for days, then go right back to farming with no mana issues whatsoever. I'd also like to see it on Caitlyn. I don't know why, but I always end up having mana issues with her. Plus, her passive would make it work similar to Xerath's passive, giving you a bunch of mana from an auto attack. This would make her even more annoying then she already is. As for [[The Bloodthirster]], I still think it is a great item, especially on the caster ADCs ([[Lucian]], [[Corki]], etc.). The shield it now gives only adds to the sustain it provides. Was it slightly nerfed? Yes. But I don't think that that nerf should be enough to make you change your build to where your building [[blade of the ruined king]] on [[ezreal]][/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] [quote=Lugignaf] Well, Graves doesn't care too much about the AS, and Soraka doesn't exactly reward anyone when she heals them. Janna/Lulu are "better" choices for the item. In Janna's case, it also gives towers an AS boost, so there's that I suppose. :I [/quote] honestly, it's extremely situational. The base stats are incredibly poor, so the only reason to get it is because of the AS. In lane, the item was sort of OK, as the combination of extra attack speed and armor actually made it hard for Draven to duel with Graves...but outside of that, I might as well have not had it. Even on someone like Janna or Nami it would still be situational, as the stats don't make it good enough to buy without a team that benefits from a lot of AS. [/quote] [[Morellonomicon]] gives a lot more AP, more mana regen, and CDR. It doesn't give movespeed or the steroid, but you are correct in that the stats are very poor. Lugi already pointed it out, but your testing sample was 1 game, with 2 champions that seem to use the item very poorly. [[Graves]] won't use attack speed like [[Kog'Maw]] or [[Vayne]] or [[Caitlyn]] will. Plus you bought the item on [[Soraka]] who has a very long heal CD compared to pretty much every other support. The Ardent Censor seems okay, maybe a subpar, but probably needs some more testing and with champions that can actually utilize it well[/quote]