New Items: Essence Reaver and Ardent Censer

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Essence reapers purpose is probably to buff champions that aren't seeing play, like maybe Varus, Urgot and Ezreal. Graves sees enough competitive play as it is. If censor gets Janna back into play I'm happy with it.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Electro522] I am really interested in seeing how Essence Reaver works with Ashe and Jinx. Both of those champs have a toggled ability that buffs their auto attack, but consumes mana every time they make an attack. Jinx should especially benefit from it because her rockets do AOE damage, giving her even more mana per auto attack. That mana can then be used to spam her W, which does a CRAP ton of damage early game. Also, with Ashe, this allows her to perma-slow for days, then go right back to farming with no mana issues whatsoever. I'd also like to see it on Caitlyn. I don't know why, but I always end up having mana issues with her. Plus, her passive would make it work similar to Xerath's passive, giving you a bunch of mana from an auto attack. This would make her even more annoying then she already is. As for [[The Bloodthirster]], I still think it is a great item, especially on the caster ADCs ([[Lucian]], [[Corki]], etc.). The shield it now gives only adds to the sustain it provides. Was it slightly nerfed? Yes. But I don't think that that nerf should be enough to make you change your build to where your building [[blade of the ruined king]] on [[ezreal]] [/quote] To be honest all of these champions are autoattackers and none of them have mana issues (maybe Caitlyn if you're spamming) so there's really no point in considering Reaver for them. Jinx has absolutely no problem staying in rocket form almost 24/7 after the first few levels unless you're also spamming all your abilities on cooldown. The same goes for most other ADCs - by the time you can actually afford to buy the item you've already passed the point where the mana sustain would have been most useful. The item also just doesn't give enough stats and fighting power for how much it costs. The only ADC I've seen where I think it can potentially be good on is on blue build Ezreal because it basically removes his mana costs and lets him spam [[muramana]] toggled Qs without a care in the world, but that build still has issues that can basically be boiled down to "is useless until 30 minutes". Also BotRK has been better than BT on Ezreal for ages, if it wasn't a certainty before it most definitely is now.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]censor on karma could be good with her AoE shield thats also on a relatively low CD, and with max CDR your shield has a 6 second CD meaning the 25% AS passive can theoretically have no downtime max CDR also makes her ult have a 14~ second cooldown including her passive meaning the 25% AS boost can be teamwide too sadly the item doesnt offer any AP so it wont be that great[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0] Varus, Urgot and Ezreal. [/quote] No, no, maybe. Varus doesn't really care the mana on hit. He's already pretty mana efficient. And if he's oom, he's probably used all his skills to get a kill. Urgot doesn't benefit from the mana steal really since after one [[Acid hunter]], he's lost the mana he got form that auto attack. And don't get me started on [[Noxian Corrosive Charge]]+[[Acid hunter]]. It's okay on Ezreal, but you lose out on a lot of sustain.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=DillButt64] censor on karma could be good with her AoE shield thats also on a relatively low CD, and with max CDR your shield has a 6 second CD meaning the 25% AS passive can theoretically have no downtime max CDR also makes her ult have a 14~ second cooldown including her passive meaning the 25% AS boost can be teamwide too sadly the item doesnt offer any AP so it wont be that great [/quote] I think it does give AP? I could be wrong but stats are: 30 AP 10% CDR 10 Mana Regen 8% Movement Speed Passive: grants 25% attack speed for heals/shields but ya, I think it's actually pretty good [[karma]][/quote]

[quote=Janitsu][[Karma]] uses Mantra + E The whole team gets [[Warwick]]'s attack speed buff.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]oh i mustve missed it so karma only cuz her shield is AoE and not on huge CD what about thresh since he has an AoE shield too? EDIT: i know its a bad item on nidalee but what about her? heal with two AS buffs[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Mooninites] The Ardent Censor seems okay, maybe a subpar, but probably needs some more testing and with champions that can actually utilize it well [/quote] The real issue is that, even on champions who can more effectively utilize the passive, it's not really worth having without a team who can directly benefit from the passive. Without that, the item is entirely pointless to purchase, given that its base stats are extremely poor. It's situational, at best. Similarly priced items that provide [b]some[/b] of the same stats, such as [[Morellonomicon]], [[Twin Shadows]], or even [[Mikael's Crucible]], are just good all around purchases by comparison. Really hard to justify purchasing it in its current state most of the time. If they buffed the AP or CDR, perhaps. @Dillbutt I probably wouldn't buy it on [[Thresh]] and I definitely wouldn't buy it on [[Nidalee]]. [[Thresh]] doesn't particularly need any of the stats the item gives besides movement speed and it's just utterly redundant on [[Nidalee]].[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]Yeah, the two champions I've been playing a lot recently are [[Ashe]] and [[Janna]], so eager to test both items (respectively of course) with them.[/quote]

[quote=Out Of Pancakes]I join several people saying that Ardent censer is depending on your carries. For instance, I had a game where I had a [[sivir]] and an [[aatrox]] in my team. I was [[morgana]] : it didn't have a real big impact but it helped to take towers down, and a little boost for [[sivir]] to get her pentakill and to duel their [[kha'zix]]. Part of the reason I built it is because I like building movement speed on [[morgana]]. And [[janna]] is even more fun to play with it, even though her laning phase is still pretty tough. The item is far from broken, which is a good point, but I like it so far. I'm not convinced about Reaver on ADcs yet. It may suit other champions better, dunno.[/quote]