New Items: Essence Reaver and Ardent Censer

[quote=MyBloodisBlack]Essence Reaver may be quite good on Sivir since her abilities are mana hungry[/quote]

[quote=utopus][quote=IPodPulse] Yea pretty sure Varus is a mix between caster and AA ADC. He damages people with his W and use the rest of his abilities to set of his W. However he is a strong attacker regardless [/quote] Strong autoattacker, yes - but not like caitlyn, jinx, vayne, twitch, kogmaw, or lucian haha[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Lucian is very much a caster. A manaless Lucian is much less useful than a manaless Cait.[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri]I'm liking [[ardent censer]] on my support [[lulu]]s. In fact, I think it helps bring [[lulu]] back to the support lane. Being able to cast a super powered [[pix]] on someone while simultaneously giving them a 25% AS buff is great. I've noticed people comparing it to items like [[morellonomicon]] or [[mikael's crucible]]. I don't think that's the right comparison. I instead compare it to boots. That is, if I get an [[ardent censer]], I don't bother getting boots. If I later on get a [[lich bane]] or a [[twin shadows]], I'll be walking around at about the same speed as anyone else. If I need to get out of somewhere fast or catch up to someone, no one will be able to outrun me when I cast an AP-powered up [[whimsy]] on myself. Regarding the [[essence reaver]], it seemed to work pretty well on [[Yorick]] when paired up with [[muramana]]. That is, I would use [[essence reaver]] to keep my mana bar full while farming and then click on [[muramana]] when fights against enemy champions break out. However, I do think the mana gain is a bit low. It should be based on all physical damage dealt or have a much higher percentage gain on auto attacks, imho.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=MungoGeri] I'm liking [[ardent censer]] on my support [[lulu]]s. In fact, I think it helps bring [[lulu]] back to the support lane. Being able to cast a super powered [[pix]] on someone while simultaneously giving them a 25% AS buff is great. [/quote] Hmmm... I have [b]absolutely no idea[/b] why this is so good. Perhaps it's because you have... A SHIELD! That, *gasp* also benefits from auto-attacking?! [B]MADNESS I SAY![/B] It's almost as if the item was designed for something or someone like this![/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I still have yet to see that item be built outside of Nameless doing it then selling it. :/[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=MungoGeri] I'm liking [[ardent censer]] on my support [[lulu]]s. In fact, I think it helps bring [[lulu]] back to the support lane. Being able to cast a super powered [[pix]] on someone while simultaneously giving them a 25% AS buff is great. [/quote] Hmmm... I have [b]absolutely no idea[/b] why this is so good. Perhaps it's because you have... A SHIELD! That, *gasp* also benefits from auto-attacking?! [B]MADNESS I SAY![/B] It's almost as if the item was designed for something or someone like this! [/quote] Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think [[ardent censer]] was specifically designed for [[lulu]] and [[janna]]. Not only do they both have shields that also power up auto-attacking, but both of them have kits that have lots of speed-ups and slow-downs. So, basically, both would be perfectly fine if they gave up boots for the +8% movement speed bonus on [[ardent censer]]. On my [[lulu]] supports, my starting build looks like this: [[spellthief's edge]] -> [[frostfang]] + [[sightstone]] -> [[forbidden idol]] -> [[ardent censer]] -> [[frost queen's claim]] So, the first three items end with [[frost queen's claim]] + [[sightstone]] + [[ardent censer]]. That gives me 20 mana per 5, 20% CDR, 80 AP, and +8% movement speed in addition to the passives and actives. That's plenty of mana regen and since I already have 10% CDR from masteries, that gives me 30% total CDR. From there, I can build out my AP -- e.g. [[rabadon's deathcap]] + [[lich bane]] + [[zhonya's hourglass]]. The other 10% CDR I can get from two CDR quints or use a [[twin shadows]] instead of the [[lich bane]]. It seems like a [[janna]] could use a similar setup.[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri]I just finished a couple of games with support [[janna]] using the setup I described above, and *wow*, it was terrific. By the end, I was giving my ADC a 500 point shield that gave him 100 AD and 25% AS -- refreshing it every 6 seconds. Using that plus general crowd control skills and items, we tore up the enemy teams. I did not miss having boots at all, since [[janna]] has so many movement passives.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=idmb22] I have been triying this with different Champions ([[Aatrox]], [[Irelia]], [[Lee Sin]], [[Tryndamere]], [[Yasuo]] and [[Warwick]] among others) and ADCs ([[Ashe]], [[Corki]], [[Draven]], [[Ezreal]], [[Graves]], [[Twitch]] and [[Vayne]]) while playing as [[Nami]] and I did not feel any impact at all with the Item. Maybe I need to test it a bit more, but I think I will return to my old build since I did not notice any difference with [[Ardent Censer]]. Actually, I felt less useful for my team building [[Ardent Censer]] since I did not have available the Cleanse from [[Mikael's Crucible]] and its Mana Regeneration. [/quote] I had a feeling, given that her AA buff is a different skill from her heal that only applies for three hits. Leaves me at it's really only decent on [[Janna]] and [[Lulu]].[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][[Essence Reaver]] works great on any champion that likes to farm and can healthily use their abilities while doing it. Main problem people have with it that the spike in power from it's passive shouldn't be a spike, and that it should build from [[Forbidden Idol]] instead of Pickaxe. [[Ardent Censer]] doesn't feel as powerful now that the bug was fixed, but it still gives a combination of stats that are just perfect for the utility champions that would use it. For some reason, I'm the only person that see's these items being good enough for consistent use...[/quote]