New to LoL, trying to move over from DotA

[quote=MungoGeri][quote=TheSofa]Just a random question... which summoner spells do I get? Like, flash on everyone, but is it like exhaust for supports, heal for carries, or something like that?[/quote] It's always situational, but the typical meta is to have [[flash]] on everyone, [[exhaust]] on support, [[heal]] on ad carry, [[ignite]] or [[heal]] on mid, [[ignite]] or [[teleport]] on top, and [[smite]] on the jungler. We've had some discussions here about how in this season it might be better for the support to get [[heal]] and the ad carry to get [[exhaust]], but that idea hasn't trickled into the mainstream yet.[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu][quote=MungoGeri][quote=TheSofa]Just a random question... which summoner spells do I get? Like, flash on everyone, but is it like exhaust for supports, heal for carries, or something like that?[/quote] It's always situational, but the typical meta is to have [[flash]] on everyone, [[exhaust]] on support, [[heal]] on ad carry, [[ignite]] or [[heal]] on mid, [[ignite]] or [[teleport]] on top, and [[smite]] on the jungler. We've had some discussions here about how in this season it might be better for the support to get [[heal]] and the ad carry to get [[exhaust]], but that idea hasn't trickled into the mainstream yet.[/quote] [[Flash]] on MOST people (some people take [[ghost]] on people like [[olaf]]) [[exhaust]] or [[ignite]] on support. [[exhaust]] on [[soraka]] and if enemies have many assassins that can dive the backline. [[ignite]] is usually otherwise better for dominating and decreasing healing. [[ignite]], [[heal]], [[barrier]], [[cleanse]], [[ghost]] or [[teleport]] on mid depending on the picks. The [[heal]]/[[ignite]] or [[exhaust]] idea of botlane is still pretty much in testing. [[heal]] gives effective health and movement speed, which is usually better for the ADC to decide when to use and [[exhaust]] is better to have on supports, since they are the ones that set up kills and defend people. ADC might use it too selfishly.[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri]I'm trying to keep it simple for a new player. As I said, what you take is situational, but what I said above will get you through 90% of situations, and when he gets more familiar with the game, he can learn about more of the exceptions. Regarding whether it's the support or adc who takes [[exhaust]] or [[heal]], what you said was true of past seasons. However, there are two important changes that might tip the balance in the opposite direction. First, if you are playing a utility mage support who gets the 3rd tier mastery in the cunning tree that gives an extra 10% extra strength to heals and gives a bonus to other people's resistances, then you might want to be the one to take [[heal]] so that it gets empowered by that mastery. Second, Grievous Wounds now only affects self-healing. So, if your adc gets ignited, having [[heal]] on the support will ensure that it heals for the full effect.[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu][quote=MungoGeri]I'm trying to keep it simple for a new player. As I said, what you take is situational, but what I said above will get you through 90% of situations, and when he gets more familiar with the game, he can learn about more of the exceptions. Regarding whether it's the support or adc who takes [[exhaust]] or [[heal]], what you said was true of past seasons. However, there are two important changes that might tip the balance in the opposite direction. First, if you are playing a utility mage support that gets the 3rd tier mastery in the cunning tree that gives an extra 10% extra strength to heals and gives a bonus to other people's resistances, then you might want to be the one to take [[heal]] so that it gets empowered by that mastery. Second, Grievous Wounds now only affects self-healing. So, if your adc gets ignited, having [[heal]] on the support will ensure that it heals for the full effect.[/quote] Well [[Ignite]] is still the go-to summoner spell on supports and mids are more likely to take either [[barrier]] or [[ignite]] rather than [[heal]] and the latter, since you waste half of [[heal]]'s power on a solo lane. I'd like to also mention that giving them many options that they can try out when they are new will allow them to test them and decide what they like before they go to rankeds or so on. Also about the botlane summoner spell rotation - I know these facts. It's just that most supports who are mage-like will pick [[thunderlord's decree]] and tankier ones will pick [[bond of stone]]. Only one who picks the heal-increasing mastery is [[soraka]] imo. Also 10% for the [[heal]] isn't really THAT game changing. And I know how the grievous wounds works. But if they ignite you and kill you first, you are at the same point that you were in previous seasons. It could also mean that bot lane summoner spells will go to [[exhaust]] - [[heal]] combo, since those can't be countered by the new changes and are actually better in the late game. I'm sorry if I was rude but I like to lay the options out there for them to try out. I didn't really try out other summoner spells than [[ignite]] on mid lane for a long time, which caused me to be biased and inexperienced. I think this way the new player will get much more experience on how to play and how to play against different summoner spell combos.[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri]No problem, Janitsu. However, I imagine that [[janna]], [[nami]], and [[soraka]] will all take the healing mastery. Regarding whether supports take [[ignite]] or [[exhaust]], I see most supports of all types taking [[exhaust]] in order to shut down the opposing adc during all-in trades and also to short-circuit assassins late game. I do often (but not always) take [[ignite]] when I play an offensive oriented support like [[zyra]], but when I do, I often get a lot of complaints about being selfish as a support for doing so. I'm not saying that [[ignite]] is worthless on a support, but my experience has been that [[exhaust]] is the most common choice on supports with [[ignite]] coming in second and [[heal]] a distant third.[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu][quote=MungoGeri]No problem, Janitsu. However, I imagine that [[janna]], [[nami]], and [[soraka]] will all take the healing mastery. Regarding whether supports take [[ignite]] or [[exhaust]], I see most supports of all types taking [[exhaust]] in order to shut down the opposing adc during all-in trades and also to short-circuit assassins late game. I do often (but not always) take [[ignite]] when I play an offensive oriented support like [[zyra]], but when I do, I often get a lot of complaints about being selfish as a support for doing so. I'm not saying that [[ignite]] is worthless on a support, but my experience has been that [[exhaust]] is the most common choice on supports with [[ignite]] coming in second and [[heal]] a distant third.[/quote] Well [[Janna]] and [[soraka]] will quite likely take it, but I think [[nami]] has potential with [[thunderlord's decree]], so I'd so more of a personal preference thing at least right now :p [[Ignite]] has been (at least in my games at high plat-mid diamond) the most used summoner spell on supports since you can shutdown ADC's [[heal]] and it deals quite a bit damage so you can oppress lane. [[Exhaust]] on the other hand can be pretty avoidable while [[Ignite]] is a bit trickier. But I think this is enough derailing for today :^)[/quote]

[quote=TheSofa]Hi all, Thanks all for the info on Masteries and Summoner's Spells. One more question: I think I'll have some money left over when I have enough for a rune set and hit level 20, so I kinda want another champ. I asked people who the most cancerous champs in the game, so I've narrowed it down a bit.... I have [[Annie]] and [[Teemo]]. Apparently [[Riven]] is good, and so is [[singed]] Which is good? If neither, which is a good in-between champ (now that I'm a little bit used to LoL, I can probs play the more advanced champs, considering I've played DotA for the longest time.) Cheers! TheSofa[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri][[riven]] is very good. You need to know how to interrupt her animations to play her well, but since you played dota before, that shouldn't be a new concept. [[singed]] is funny and fun but is kind of a niche pick. If you're looking to win, he's not the best to play. If you're looking for fun, he's awesome.[/quote]

[quote=masaaki14]I haven't tried riven yet, going to play her this week since she's on free rotation. So far from the videos i've seen, it looks like animation cancelling is essential to maximise her damage output. It shouldn't be hard to do, since we learnt how to cancel backswings of spells and auto-attacks in Dota, but I reckon it will take some time to get used to league timing, since it is a little more blocky than dota[/quote]

[quote=Ekki][quote=TheSofa]I asked people who the most cancerous champs in the game[/quote]Seeing you got [[teemo]] you can either go the "toxic tryhard" way ([[riven]], [[leblanc]], [[zed]], [[vayne]], [[lee sin]]) or the "annoying af" way ([[singed]], [[bard]], [[tahm kench]], [[malzahar]], [[garen]], [[darius]]).[/quote]