Need help on AP-ish supports

[quote=IceCreamy]So, I main support and my champion pool is limited to [[Thresh]], [[Lulu]], [[Nami]], [[Sona]], [[Janna]], [[Nunu]] and [[Alistar]]. I've played [[Taric]], [[Leona]] and [[Blitzcrank]], but they're just not my type of champion. I'm looking to get into more AP-ish supports such as [[Elise]], [[Fiddlesticks]] and [[Zyra]]. I'm also looking to try out some more unconventional supports like [[Karma]], [[Kayle]], [[Lux]], [[Morgana]], [[Orianna]] and [[Zilean]]. Anyone care to help? :) I'm on EUW if you want to talk/play. Thanks![/quote]

[quote=DKitten]Well, I'd definitely suggest learning the three you mentioned ([[Elise]] [[Fiddlesticks]] [[Zyra]]) as they're all very effective. [[Elise]] and [[Zyra]] have strong poke, [[Zyra]] has "free wards", and [[Fiddlesticks]] is the anti-support, meaning they're all useful in different situations. I'd say the hardest of the three is [[Zyra]] and the easiest is [[Fiddlesticks]]. As per the unconventional ones listed, [[Kayle]], [[Karma]], and [[Morgana]] aren't really worth it unless you've got a team who can work with them (and communicate well). [[Lux]], [[Orianna]], and [[Zilean]] are more forgiving of their team comp.[/quote]

[quote=Jovy]Why bother with the unconventionals? The ones you listed are only borderline viable on support and I wouldn't use them in ranked play.. they're also all pretty straightforward as far as playing goes also except maybe Karma[/quote]

[quote=DarkPercy]''My champion pool is limited to *lists 7 champions*'' r u srs atm[/quote]

[quote=Dill Money]I'm laning against [[Zyra]] all the time and I always see her in the LCS. She seems ridiculously strong right now, especially with this new trend of bot-lanes that emphasize chaining cc's ([[Ashe]]-[[Zyra]] is obviously the most notable. Fuck that lane.)[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]You should really go with Fiddlesticks. The OPness in the 3 sec retardness is just too much. Making enemies into retards, the dream of every LoL-Player. And Zyra is a great support, it's actually fun to play her. Even tho I still have no idea what I am doing when I play her, most of the time you just harrass with ur E+W and at some point combo them...? As for the other Supports, I still play Lux support in rankeds if my retard team goes full AD without any real AP threat. Works great tbh.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy][quote=DarkPercy] ''My champion pool is limited to *lists 7 champions*'' r u srs atm [/quote] I mean on support, I have wins with 70 champs in ranked :P But yeah, I want to improve, so I feel like I need to at least give those a try because I haven't yet. [quote=MissMaw]Why bother with the unconventionals? The ones you listed are only borderline viable on support and I wouldn't use them in ranked play.. they're also all pretty straightforward as far as playing goes also except maybe Karma[/quote] Alright, I'll disregard the unconventional ones if you think they're not worth it. Any thoughts on [[Nidalee]] support or don't bother either? :P Either way, I'll still need help on [[Elise]], [[Fiddlesticks]] and [[Zyra]] because I've never played them before as support. Any guides that are recommended? :)[/quote]

[quote=DKitten][[Nidalee]] support only works with [[Kennen]] or [[Teemo]]. Possibly [[Caitlyn]] or [[Varus]], but her biggest issue is mana. I'd say don't bother, I know astrolia had a [[Zyra]] support guide, and someone else did support [[Elise]]. Not sure if there's a support [[Fiddlesticks]] guide, but I'd suggest R>Q>E>W and starting items as [[Faerie Charm]] + [[Sight Ward]]s + [[Mana Potion]]s (b/c [[Drain]] on the cannon minion should keep your HP up).[/quote]

[quote=Test0ML]Try to play [wiki=nautilus].He is really good as support.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=Test0ML] Try to play [wiki=nautilus].He is really good as support. [/quote] He really isn't that good. The CC is nice, but he's really item-dependent in order to be effective. Not to mention his playstyle doesn't differ from [[blitzcrank]] and [[thresh]] all that much, which isn't completely what the OP is looking for, it seems. [[fiddlesticks]] support is fun, but a bit knacky. But once you pass that stage, he's a no-brainer. Okay, that was bad. [[zyra]] support is really nice. Doesn't go with every ADC, but it's certainly worth picking up.[/quote]