Need help on AP-ish supports

[quote=IceCreamy]Playing some [[Zyra]] support now, having fun :) Tried [[Fiddlesticks]] but he's not my cup of tea. [[Nautilus]]... jungled him on free week but absolutely hated him. Maybe it'll be better as support, sounds like fun :)[/quote]

[quote=Test0ML][quote=sirell] [quote=Test0ML] Try to play [wiki=nautilus].He is really good as support. [/quote] He really isn't that good. The CC is nice, but he's really item-dependent in order to be effective. Not to mention his playstyle doesn't differ from [[blitzcrank]] and [[thresh]] all that much, which isn't completely what the OP is looking for, it seems. [[fiddlesticks]] support is fun, but a bit knacky. But once you pass that stage, he's a no-brainer. Okay, that was bad. [[zyra]] support is really nice. Doesn't go with every ADC, but it's certainly worth picking up. [/quote] Well,he asked for unconventional supports and trust me [wiki=nautilus] is good,Look at my AD [wiki=sona] game.I had an [wiki=nautilus] support.So if he worked with my unconventional AD [wiki=sona]... PS:Just saying. ;)[/quote]

[quote=sirell]One circumstance does not a rule make 0.o[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Okay, truth be told, I like [[nautilus]] support myself.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing][quote=DKitten] Nidalee support only works with Kennen or Teemo. [/quote] First of all you're wrong. Second of all teemo isn't an adc. @Icecreamy: I suggest you learn Zyra. She's one of the FOTM supports (Meta favors AoE disengage supports. Zyra, Sona, Thresh, Nami, etc). She's not that difficult to learn. Just use your plants to zone / poke enemies, peel for your ADC / catch enemies with E, and disengage / followup with ulti. Fiddle support is actually really underplayed as of now and I really do recommend you pick him up (one of the few champs that can screw dives by Q'ing the diver as he goes in) You can go a QEQEQ max. I don't recommend Elise support because she's used much more as a jungler / top, but she is a strong pick. You can zone / poke really easily with your Q and E, and your E is an amazing tool for jungle followup. She's also really strong and you can duel people when you're ahead ^.^ Don't play Nautilus support either :/ If you wanna have some fun play bruiser supports. Lee Sin, Xin Zhao, Jarvan, etc Go manmode at lvl 2 :D Volibear support is also something I love to play when bored. You're so strong it's so deceptive. Leblanc support is also crazy fun.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]Oh yes, I've played [[LeBlanc]] support :D So I could use some tips on [[Zyra]]. Currently I have [[Greater Mark of Armor]], [[Greater Seal of Armor]], [[Greater Glyph of Scaling Magic Resist]], [[Greater Quintessence of Gold]]. 1/17/12 masteries, upgrading [[Exhaust]] in offense, tanky stuff in defense and upgrading [[Flash]] and taking gold in utility. Build is [[Ruby Sightstone]], [[Boots of Mobility]], [[Enchantment: Homeguard]], [[Twin Shadows]], [[Shurelya's Reverie]] buying plenty of [[Vision Ward]]s and [[Oracle's Elixir]]s of course. Good? Bad? Tips/Advices? :)[/quote]

[quote=Jovy][quote=IceCreamy] Alright, I'll disregard the unconventional ones if you think they're not worth it. Any thoughts on [[Nidalee]] support or don't bother either? :P [/quote] I personally hate support Nidalee but it has its ups and downs I guess. She's good against [[nunu]] and [[janna]] and good with [[ezreal]] or [[caitlyn]] most notably. I mean I don't get WHY you'd play her unless you thought it was fun (though throwing javelins and stuff and buffing allies doesn't seem like the most fun thing in the world) cause if you wanted a support for poke there are better options :I Some people play through the lane phase and then go AP so I guess that's her 'use'. Thought [[Zyra]] already does that somewhat ^-^ [color=#00ff00]edit:[/color] I'd go with magic pen or hybrid pen for Zyra and even AP quints would be okay. If not HP quints are probably a better option than golds. 1-13-16 with points in explorer, biscuit, wealth and greed and vet's scars etc in def. [[Ignite]] for sure, unless you're: 1) vs high burst assassins 2) AS based champions or 3) an unfavorable match up - in which case you go with [[exhaust]]. [spoiler=why ignite over exhaust for all you haters] [icon=ignite size=40] > [icon=exhaust size=40] Ignite ups your kill potential in lane. So while you're possibly gonna need an exhaust for late the idea is that with the extra KP you can get your AD fed and snowballing for late so that you don't have to worry much about needing exhaust. This is only for aggressive supports such as [[zyra]] cause the idea is to UP the kill potential not desperately trying to create some on liek [[soraka]]. [/spoiler] Sightstone > Chalice > Ruby > Mobs > Mikael's > (Morellonomicon) > Twin shadow etc etc > Oracles But apparently there's this new burning plant thing which I'd look into iiwy >> http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/burning-bush-zyra-original-build-by-rhaqen-342673 Max E > W > Q, can max Q alternatively but you're prob gonna be better off with the lower CD snare + stronger slow, despite the plants being melee.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]So gold quints and items suck now? I feel old ;D I don't really have mana problems but regardless [[Mikael's Crucible]] is a really good item. Was already maxing E>W>Q :) Hybrid pen works with plants? :o Need to buy more rune pages :D[/quote]

[quote=DKitten][spoiler=Why put Teemo in bottom lane?] You have an AD mid and AD jungle/top (with a tanky top/jungle). Meaning you need some sort of AP damage, and he'll naturally counter [[Taric]]. Combined with [[Nidalee]], since she can make up for his lack of range, and yes, you can put [[Teemo]] in bottom lane. No, that does not necessitate that you build him AD. tl:dr; Depends on the comp, support [[Nidalee]] is viable. But she's not viable in MOST comps. [/spoiler] As per [[Zyra]] masteries...I'd probably go 9/0/21 (10% starting CDR + [[Shurelya's Reverie]] + [[Morellonomicon]]), 9/13/8 (for [[Block]], or 20/0/10 (which will let you grab a little more damage and still get some gold masteries or max [[Artificer]]). And definitely [[Greater Mark of Magic Penetration]]. The rest of your runes are fine.[/quote]

[quote=DarkPercy]Support [[nidalee]], most underrated support ever Max Q, poke like no other support can poke (from a stupid distance as well), free wards everywhere + the best single target AS steroid for allies there is in the game. Also at level 6 you can kill an ADC that's at 50% HP by yourself lol. You need to rush [[tear of the goddess]] though. It's so much fun but it's effectiveness is proportional to the number of spears you can land. AKA can be useless or amazing[/quote]