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Searz wrote:

"Subscription TV services are dying! Quick, lets tie our console to em!

And then lets ride a sugar coated unicorn too the moon!

Microsoft away!"


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oh god, as if it could get any worse.


the xbone is launching in 21 countries at day 1. if you aren't in one of those countries, you would have to import it and all its games. however, because of the 24 hour authentication, none of the games would work.


so yes, half of europe (the eastern half), all of asia except russia (what), all of south america except brazil, and all of africa will not be able to play any games on the xbone. microsoft support says you'll just have to wait for it to be launched in your country.


meanwhile ps4 is region free.


edit: of all the countries not getting it, poland? well you can probably say goodbye to witcher 3 on xbone for that (cdproject is in poland.)
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and now its revealed you need a mandatory 1.5mpb connection to use an xbone.


like, for real people.

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Guess this will really be the deciding factor......

Someone should hack microsoft's database and replace all their recorded video with porn at some point.

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Sorry for the wall of text :(

Microsoft has made a mistake.
We can all agree on that.

What I don't agree with is everyone madly bashing at them with only bits and pieces of information to back it up.

Yes, the Xbox One is always running.
No, it doesn't have magical powers, you CAN turn off the power and it WILL stop. Of course, it would be better to have an option for this. They haven't considered people wanting alternate options, which is the main problem in a lot of what they're saying.

Yes, you need Kinect 2.0 running to use the Xbox.
No, there is no point anywhere where it says that you will be required to use it. I assume there will be a setting where you can turn off Xbox to Kinect controls, so that you can manipulate it with your controller.

Yes, a mandatory install is required to play the game.
But, it means you don't have to play with a disk. If they simply made it optional, I'd agree with their choice.

Yes, a game is tied to installation.
No, this isn't some huge controversial thing. You can still buy used games, you just have to pay a small fee, which I assume is for the right to play online (they should probably just make it a small fee for the online). It'll probably be something like another $5 on the cost of buying the game. Now let's look back a bit here, I recall them saying its mandatory to install games.
Which means you don't need a disk.
Which means used games are the same as new games. You getting where they're coming from now? A new game that's still cheaper then buying it brand new.

Also, just to add onto that, the reason why they're making you pay a fee is because your installing it on your Xbox. Which means you can buy it, install it, then hand it around to all your friends and just play it. PS4 can't do that.
That's why the PS4 allows for hand-to-hand giving.
Taking this into account, I believe the fee to pay for it will be a bit more. Probably at $15 to $25, because you can buy a game and still share it with friends. As long as they pay the fee, you can keep the installation on your Xbox.

Yes, the Xbox is region locked.
No, this isn't some new thing that's never happened before. You can buy games super cheap in America. Everyone will.
In my opinion, it's actually much better with region locked. Maybe you'll learn to support your own damn game shops instead of buying it online in a foreign country cause it's $20 less. I have one game shop now, EB Games, in my area. One. Thankfully, they don't abuse their domination of the market and give fair prices.
So yeah, I'd rather have it region locked.
And yes, you'll get the Xbox a bit later in some country's. It's not a big deal, games are sold later in some country's too. Same with movies etc.

Now, yes, Xbox is not backwards compatible.
Well guess what, PS4 is not either.
Why? Because both of them are using new technology. The old games don't run on this new technology, it is quite obvious when you think about it.

Now, 1.5 mbs seems a bit much. Yet, after searching it, I found that people are misusing the word minimum. It is the recommended internet speed, not the required. I assume it'll function with less speed like it does right now with my xbox.
Slower, and annoying.
But usable.

May I add that Microsoft is using something similar to Cloud to keep your installations. This means even if you break your disk, you can still play the game. While collectors like myself won't find this useful, many casual careless gamers will.
Another fact that I just found out is that Xbox is making a way to enable customers to trade in and resell games. This would be the official way, and the payment would be the unofficial. I believe they're taking in our criticisms of their system.
Ohk, so it seems that you can play games at friends houses, as long as you are logged in as well. Since its account locked.

While Microsoft has been a game machine, there has always been a subsidized focus on other things such as television and web browsing. Having a subscription T.V. for Xbox allows for a single box maintaining everything and taking up space. This is more convenient for the average gamer and T.V. watcher cause, really, most of us do both.

Another thing is the fact that they are releasing 15 new games, with new developers, when Xbox launches. I believe they said it was the first year, yet I also believe at least most of them will launch at the start; or close to it.
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Ohk, I've said enough. I haven't covered everything, nor, I am sure, am I right with everything. Yet I hope you take into account the reasons behind such, instead of just degrading Microsoft's choice because everyone else says its ****. While they did not do a perfect job, they are realizing their imperfections and are working to fix them as we speak. I hope they take everything we say into account, but we don't know yet.

And might I add, Xbox did their release early since they were really excited and, I'm sure, wanted public opinion before releasing more substantial information at E3.
PS4 is doing everything at E3. you don't know if its better, so don't judge.

Last thing to add, I am an Xbox player and have been loyal to Xbox for some time. Even though I at first disagreed with their choices as well, there is a high chance I am being extremely biased here. Anyways, that's all.
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ShiftyCake wrote:


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Last thing to add, I am an Xbox player and have been loyal to Xbox for some time. Even though I at first disagreed with their choices as well, there is a high chance I am being extremely biased here. Anyways, that's all.


With also some stuff you're right on, THIS is what's really meaningful.

Point 1-4:
You're just not seeing what's rly bad with those.

Point 5:
"Fees for installing pre-owned games."
You simply have ZERO idea what that means...
(Hint: a) It's not aimed at us, the consumers b) The fact "One copy can't be installed on multiple consoles" is still intact)

Point 6:
"Region lock"
Let's say, it's in general so-so.
It's bad cause you can't get a cheap version, but good because you help your economy.
In my case it's more on the bad side since Germany got some ****ed up politicians who think THEY have a right to decide what I'm allowed to watch.

Point 7:
"Downward compatible"
Both are suckers on that.

Point 8:
"1.5mb"
If it's rly only the "recommended" DL speed it could still **** you up pretty good.
Remember: Always on, always forces to be up to date, always getting every last patch.

Rest:
Mix of so-so.



Altogether, you miss some pretty crucial points.
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ShiftyCake wrote:

What I don't agree with is everyone madly bashing at them with only bits and pieces of information to back it up.

This is entirely Micro$oft's own fault.
They are intentionally withholding information to try to reduce the backlash of their bad PR.
That's why they cancelled interviews after E3 and never said anything about the Kinect, TV or DRM during the conference..
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Yes, the Xbox One is always running.
No, it doesn't have magical powers, you CAN turn off the power and it WILL stop. Of course, it would be better to have an option for this. They haven't considered people wanting alternate options, which is the main problem in a lot of what they're saying.

This is ****ing obvious and doesn't change the fact that it's a bad thing.
It's a big ****ing inconvenience to unplug your console every time you turn it off, and most people just won't do that.
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Yes, you need Kinect 2.0 running to use the Xbox.
No, there is no point anywhere where it says that you will be required to use it. I assume there will be a setting where you can turn off Xbox to Kinect controls, so that you can manipulate it with your controller.

This has already been confirmed my M$. You don't seem to be all that in-the-know about this..
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Yes, a mandatory install is required to play the game.
But, it means you don't have to play with a disk. If they simply made it optional, I'd agree with their choice.

It has advantages AND disadvantages.
The HDD of the Xbox One is 500GB and I believe they said that they aren't gonna allow external drives, so that's a major problem.
But on the bright side the loading times on an HDD are much faster than on a disc and you'll be able to play without a disc provided that you're using an account with the rights to play the game.
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Yes, a game is tied to installation.
No, this isn't some huge controversial thing. You can still buy used games, you just have to pay a small fee, which I assume is for the right to play online (they should probably just make it a small fee for the online). It'll probably be something like another $5 on the cost of buying the game.

It's blatantly obvious that you don't know what you're talking about.
Read up on the topic before posting things like this..
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Now let's look back a bit here, I recall them saying its mandatory to install games. Which means you don't need a disk.
Which means used games are the same as new games. You getting where they're coming from now? A new game that's still cheaper then buying it brand new.

What you're saying applies to pretty much any game. You don't really seem to understand how things work..
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Also, just to add onto that, the reason why they're making you pay a fee is because your installing it on your Xbox. Which means you can buy it, install it, then hand it around to all your friends and just play it. PS4 can't do that.
That's why the PS4 allows for hand-to-hand giving.
Taking this into account, I believe the fee to pay for it will be a bit more. Probably at $15 to $25, because you can buy a game and still share it with friends. As long as they pay the fee, you can keep the installation on your Xbox.

...
Did you ditch your brain completely? This is obviously entirely incorrect and you have no idea of what you're talking about.
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Yes, the Xbox is region locked.
No, this isn't some new thing that's never happened before. You can buy games super cheap in America. Everyone will.
In my opinion, it's actually much better with region locked. Maybe you'll learn to support your own damn game shops instead of buying it online in a foreign country cause it's $20 less. I have one game shop now, EB Games, in my area. One. Thankfully, they don't abuse their domination of the market and give fair prices.
So yeah, I'd rather have it region locked.
And yes, you'll get the Xbox a bit later in some country's. It's not a big deal, games are sold later in some country's too. Same with movies etc.

It would be funny to see how you reacted to this if you lived somewhere like Australia, where they get the games for almost double the price and have to import loads of games.
Region locking is bad for the consumer, and if taxes aren't properly allocated to the country they belong to, then that's a problem with the law, not the service.

You really don't seem to understand who it is that you should be giving your money.
If you like a game, it's pretty safe to assume that you want that developer to release more games. They need money to release more games. So logically you should be giving the developer more money so that you get more games you like.
When you buy buy a game in any physical store you're just giving a small part of that money to the actual publisher/developer(probably below 50%) . When you buy a game through a service like Steam you're giving them 70% of the money.
That also leads into another interesting point: when the costs of providing people with a game decrease (it's much, MUCH cheaper to sell games digitally than physically) games will likely become cheaper. We're already seeing that with Steam sales and some titles on digital services(some games like CoD are stupidly priced tho; it's the publishers' fault).
To conclude, digital distribution is the better way for the market in general if you like playing games (and it's pretty safe to say that you do if you're actually buying them..)
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Now, yes, Xbox is not backwards compatible.
Well guess what, PS4 is not either.
Why? Because both of them are using new technology. The old games don't run on this new technology, it is quite obvious when you think about it.

'Because they're using new technology'? Are you ****ing kidding me?
Dumbest statement in this thread.
It's blatantly obvious that you don't know how backwards compatibility works.
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Now, 1.5 mbs seems a bit much. Yet, after searching it, I found that people are misusing the word minimum. It is the recommended internet speed, not the required. I assume it'll function with less speed like it does right now with my xbox.

That doesn't make it any less stupid. Stop trying to defend it.
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May I add that Microsoft is using something similar to Cloud to keep your installations. This means even if you break your disk, you can still play the game. While collectors like myself won't find this useful, many casual careless gamers will.
Another fact that I just found out is that Xbox is making a way to enable customers to trade in and resell games. This would be the official way, and the payment would be the unofficial. I believe they're taking in our criticisms of their system.
Ohk, so it seems that you can play games at friends houses, as long as you are logged in as well. Since its account locked.

'The Cloud' *facepalm*
The cloud is marketing talk actually just referring to the internet.
They simply tie the game to your account, just like how games work on Steam(and has since 2005). It's not exactly new technology...
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While Microsoft has been a game machine, there has always been a subsidized focus on other things such as television and web browsing. Having a subscription T.V. for Xbox allows for a single box maintaining everything and taking up space. This is more convenient for the average gamer and T.V. watcher cause, really, most of us do both.

You don't seem to understand what it actually does. It does not in fact replace any of the boxes you have in your home.
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Ohk, I've said enough. I haven't covered everything, nor, I am sure, am I right with everything. Yet I hope you take into account the reasons behind such, instead of just degrading Microsoft's choice because everyone else says its ****. While they did not do a perfect job, they are realizing their imperfections and are working to fix them as we speak. I hope they take everything we say into account, but we don't know yet.

There's a big problem with their attitude in general. It's obvious that they're trying to appeal to new demographics just to earn more money. And in doing so they're making the experience worse for core gamers. Everything they do in general is just to try to earn more money and they generally don't give much of a **** about customer satisfaction. They only respond when there's an outrage about their ********.
This attitude is not okay. Don't accept this ****.
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Last thing to add, I am an Xbox player and have been loyal to Xbox for some time. Even though I at first disagreed with their choices as well, there is a high chance I am being extremely biased here. Anyways, that's all.

Your bias is very obvious. You only bring up negative points and try to make them seem less bad.
TotalBiscuit made a good video on the topic where he explained a lot of things and talked about both good and bad points of the systems in place. (but fact is that there ARE more bad things than good about it)

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hey. i really like xbox, and have owned both so far, but it wont launch in my country, Portugal, which is pretty stupid. still, thats just at the start. lots of other consoles, like nintendos spacifically, start by launching only in japan, so you have to remember that too. i remember sony start with ps only on japan as well and then the rest of the world after. thats why im not so irritated, its normal for that to happen.

still, i dont like the always online but i will buy it because i really like microsoft and i want to play halo.

also, there are bad things as well in ps4. you need to pay monthly to use it now.
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also, there are bad things as well in ps4. you need to pay monthly to use it now.

You need to pay monthly to play online multiplayer, not to use it. Xbox LIVE has been like this for ages, except PS4's subscription will be cheaper and you'll still be able to use other features other than online play that Xbox deemed Gold exclusive.

I loved the past xboxes and I loved Halo, but if I'm getting a new console it's going to be a PS4. I'm not going to put myself through all of microsoft's BS just to play one game. I'll just play through it on a friend's account or something and buy games for a console without such ridiculous restrictions.
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^ you are microsoft's only real customer base. this new generation is going to show that people like yourself will the the ones buying it. people who don't need one exclusive like myself will switch or better yet say screw it to consoles and start playing exclusively on PC.

of course ps4 isn't perfect..but stating that you have to pay monthly now is your example? even though people have already been paying for xbox live...and will continue to do so...not a good one to pick on.

on a side note..HOLY **** SEARZ....did you really need to highlight each misinformed point or could you simple say 'you are very misinformed and have clearly not been watching any of E3 or read any of the press releases from microsoft...or read any articles linked to this thread' (or something to that measure).

lol :)

EDIT: dang psi posting before me so my carrot up is not pointed at shadow hahaha


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