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Athene's Unholy Grail on Zyra.

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So, I'm having a hard time deciding weather I like Athene's on Zyra.
I have mixed up my build so many times, each one has been great.

The one item I'm not sure about is Athenes.

I hear a lot of "no, its not good" and the only excuse for this is the CDR.

Athene's gives more than CDR. It gives 90AP, MR, and Mana Regen. It basically makes it so you don't need precious time wasted on blue buff, and gives you max CDR (Due to her W).

Can some one enlighten me a bit? Maybe give me an item I should use in exchange?
So far I have found that I like rabadons deathcap Rylai's Crystal Scepter Will of the Ancients (I'm slowly falling off Rod of Ages. I find that, yes the mana and health regen is nice, but I like WoTA more) Void Staff sorcerer's treads. (of course not in that order).
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Well, from what I heard about her, and from some games, it looks like she has a crippling blue buff addiction. Since Athene's Unholy Grail is pretty much a portable blue buff, I can't really see a reason why not to take it.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by LaCorpse » July 27, 2012 12:24pm | Report
Thats what I think, I mean, you can always use something else. But I dont want to get trolled hard if I decide to use it in my cheat sheet.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Lugignaf » July 27, 2012 1:22pm | Report
You have a free 20% CDR at 18, blue buff puts you at 40%.

If you want the mana regen, get it. I usually do.

Endgame my build is usually something like this:
Rabadon's Deathcap, Void Staff, Rylai's Crystal Scepter/ Rod of Ages, Sorcerer's Shoes(gotten after I've sold Ionian Boots of Lucidity. Early domination too good.) and then filler items.
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I dont know, sometimes I just don't like to rely on blue buff. It takes time out of the game to get it, maybe it is just me but I always tend to be getting blue at the wrong times, my team will be on the other side on map.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Xenotechie » July 27, 2012 2:28pm | Report
Come to think of this, grail should probably be taken depending on how reliant is your jungler on blue buff. If you have a jungler just as addicted to blue buff as you, get the grail, and if not, well, ask him for it every once in a while.

If you are playing as a jungler, well, just don't build that thing.

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Hmm, so what would I use for my 6th slot? Zhonya's Hourglass? hmm.
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Well, Zhonya's Hourglass has always been the item carries use to not get raped while their stuff is on cooldown. Since her cooldowns are pretty low to begin with, and she is not one of those carries who need to run in to deal some damage, the hourglass is not such a good item.

I am considering Abyssal Mask as a 6th slot item, but I'm not sure how well would it work, it would need testing. It would probably synergise quite well with her plants and give some Magic Resistance.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by PsiGuard » July 27, 2012 3:45pm | Report
Grail is fine. Plenty of other items work as well. You could go for more defense with GA or BV or go for more offense with Lich or Hourglass (which gives 100 AP, it's still an offensive item).

You could even go DFG if you wanted more single-target burst, though it seems that zyra focuses more on her AoE combo. I'd have to play her a bit to see how well DFG would fit with her late game combos.

Just keep in mind that rushing Athene's Unholy Grail is probably a bad idea. I wouldn't do it unless you had to (in a tough matchup and your blue got denied or something). It still works as a mid-late game item though.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by LaCorpse » July 27, 2012 3:49pm | Report
If I use Abyssal Mask it would replace my Void Staff. So I'm still short an item.

I don't believe in Lich Bane unless the champion has an on-hit like Lux.

I don't think Dethfire Grasp is needed. She has too low of cool downs.

I feel like Morello's Evil Tome is worse than Athene's Unholy Grail, unless the enemy team has some one who is stacking massive life steal. Then again, you'll have Ignite for when the situation arises and its absolutely needed. I'm on the fence about Morello's Evil Tome to begin with. It is like having a smaller cool down on Ignite.


hmmm... So right now I'm at

Sorcerer's Shoes
Will of the Ancients
Rabadon's Deathcap
Rylai's Crystal Scepter
Void Staff/ Abyssal Mask

Still missing that last piece.
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