Sooo now with the zeal nerf.

[quote=animorte]It seems most games are only long enough for 2-3 Doran's items and your main damage item. Maybe you could fit your boots in there as well before the end of the game.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=EvilDice] skipping zeal has been pretty common even before the nerf... [/quote] ^this[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Eh, I tried some Draven games with early Avarice, worked well enough with his passive. But then came late game and I was like "GTFO MY INVENTORY". So I'm not too sure about it. Still like that early buttfuckersword[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][u]Standard build[/u] [[Doran's blade]] --> [[Boots of speed]] --> [[Doran's blade]] --> [[berserker's greaves]] --> [[bf sword]] --> [[Zeal]] --> [[infinity edge]] [u]Farm lane build[/u] [[Doran's blade]] --> [[Boots of speed]] --> [[berserker's greaves]] --> [[Vampiric scepter]] --> [[bloodthirster]] --> [[Zeal]][/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][icon=boots of speed] [icon=health potion] [icon=health potion] [icon=health potion] [icon=doran's blade] [icon=doran's blade] ([icon=doran's blade]: optional) [icon=B. F. sword] [icon=Vampiric Scepter] [icon=Infinity Edge] [icon=Phantom Dancer] [icon=The Bloodthirster] ^seems better to me in most cases. Boots2 are in there somewhere as well, probably before the bf sword unless you can afford it when you go back. Usually zerker's, though sometimes you might want merc's of course.[/quote]

[quote=Phil15]I dont understand why the pros likes wriggles lantern so much though I mean they stacks dorans and that before going for IE that doesnt seem to make a lot of sense to me. I mean it helps to farm but it makes you late in your build and rather inneficient in terms of dmg[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=Phil15] I dont understand why the pros likes wriggles lantern so much though I mean they stacks dorans and that before going for IE that doesnt seem to make a lot of sense to me. I mean it helps to farm but it makes you late in your build and rather inneficient in terms of dmg [/quote] I like [[wriggle's lantern]] on AD-[[Kennen]], [[Graves]] and [[Ezreal]] if the enemy team got a strong ganker, [[Lee sin]] or [[Shaco]] etc. And the [[Wriggle's lantern]] really boosts your teams dragon control, since a lot of junglers now days skips it in their builds. And we all know how important that dragon control is.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Dragon control via Wriggles seems like a myth to me. If you can win teamfights, and make smart decision, you will usually control the dragon.[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=DuffTime] Dragon control via Wriggles seems like a myth to me. If you can win teamfights, and make smart decision, you will usually control the dragon. [/quote] It's doesn't have a huge impact but the wriggles really enhance your kill time on the dragon, which allow your team to more easily kill it when you have the opportunity. The "force teamfight strategy" does not require wriggles, since you will wipe out the enemy team before taking dragon, in most cases. But it's pretty much optional and does not work that well in solo que, I remember that we used the wriggles sometime when I was playing a lot of 5v5.[/quote]

[quote=Adovid]Why not just get the [[Infinity Edge]] and the [[cloak of agility]] to start [[phantom dancer]] like this: [[boots of speed]]3X[[health potion]], [[berserker's greaves]], [[Infinity Edge]], [[cloak of agility]] This whole tuff guy with doran's blades just seems kind of out of the way for lane dominance that isn't worth 800 gold when your opponent will have their b. f. sword twice as fast. If you have 2 dorans blade I can just get an elixir and have nearly as much health and damage for an important fight at half the price and can sell it for even more later if we never have that fight.[/quote]