Sunfire+Abyssal, the new "meta" for...

[quote=NicknameMy]Lately, nearly every ap-tank I meet ingame ([[amumu]],[[malphite]], etc.) has the combination of [[sunfire cape]] and [[abyssal scepter]] on it. Could this be called a new "meta"? It seems to work pretty effective because the aura of [[abyssal scepter]] makes the aura of [[sunfire cape]] cost efficient and they both stack very well together (damage, AP, armor, MR and HP). They also make the champs very feared in consistant aoe dmg. Finally, farming with them is then pretty easy.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]no. [[sunfire cape]] isn't even a good item. You hardly get stats for what you pay. [[Giant's Belt]] - 1110 for 430 hp. [[Chain Vest]] - 700g for 45 armor. [[Sunfire Cap]] - 800g for 20 hp and a negligible passive (40 magic damage [mitigated by MR] and a lower range than every ranged auto-attack)[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]When doing crap I get [[Sunfire Cape]] + [[Force of Nature]]. When doing great I get [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] + [[Zhonya's Hourglass]] + [[Abyssal Scepter]]. Mostly [[Amumu]], [[Nautilus]], [[Rammus]] and [[Malphite]]. Or anything in between, it totally depends on how the game is going. But I agree [[Sunfire Cape]] could use a small buff.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]naw not anything even close to meta.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=Mooninites] no. [[sunfire cape]] isn't even a good item. You hardly get stats for what you pay. [[Giant's Belt]] - 1110 for 430 hp. [[Chain Vest]] - 700g for 45 armor. [[Sunfire Cap]] - 800g for 20 hp and a negligible passive (40 magic damage [mitigated by MR] and a lower range than every ranged auto-attack) [/quote] The problem is, mitigated by MR, which is solved by [[abyssal scepter]]. Especially on [[amumu]] with his passive, he can also get the enemy to negative MR, which gives you then bonus damage for [[sunfire cape]]. And champs like this will be in the middle of the enemy anyway, so they hit nearly all champs with it. Got a penta with [[amumu]] with just those 2 items, my AoE dmg got me all kills. [[sunfire cape]] dealed nearly the same damage like [[despair]], so it doubled it. If they decrease the prize by 300-400, well, I would like it.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Mooninites] no. [[sunfire cape]] isn't even a good item. You hardly get stats for what you pay. [[Giant's Belt]] - 1110 for 430 hp. [[Chain Vest]] - 700g for 45 armor. [[Sunfire Cap]] - 800g for 20 hp and a negligible passive (40 magic damage [mitigated by MR] and a lower range than every ranged auto-attack) [/quote] Agreed. Sunfire just isn't cost-efficient enough and is no way near a late-game item. Pay 490 extra gold and get a [[Zhonya's Hourglass]], hey that seems a lot better![/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][[sunfire cape]] [[shaco]] though... [[hallucinate]] = Two SFCs, double the damage :3[/quote]

[quote=Phoenix0000ff]The 40 magic damage /second is good early-mid game. Just don't round off your build with it and you are a-ok. The sad truth about Amumu Malphite though is just about anything works on them.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]nope[/quote]

[quote=Phoenix0000ff][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] nope [/quote] If that's in response to me that's fine. Watch http://www.twitch.tv/lolazingy when it comes up today and maybe you'll change your mind if you can't take it from me. Also by build anything comment isn't based on personal bias it's based on statistics. These are some of the most played champions among every elo range with high win rate. I believe in the numbers.[/quote]