Sunfire+Abyssal, the new "meta" for...

[quote=TheJohn][quote=NicknameMy] Lately, nearly every ap-tank I meet ingame ([[amumu]],[[malphite]], etc.) has the combination of [[sunfire cape]] and [[abyssal scepter]] on it. Could this be called a new "meta"? It seems to work pretty effective because the aura of [[abyssal scepter]] makes the aura of [[sunfire cape]] cost efficient and they both stack very well together (damage, AP, armor, MR and HP). They also make the champs very feared in consistant aoe dmg. Finally, farming with them is then pretty easy. [/quote] Tbh, I hardly see anyone getting Sunfire. Sometimes an Amumu buys it because of the AoE cry + sunfire damage. Excluding that, the ap-tanks prefer randuins or frozen heart Abyssal has tha bit of synergy, but sunfire isn't that great item. It's too expensive for a bit of hp, armor and that 40 damage aura. Frozen heart gives a lot of armor, nice amount of mana, cdr and the AS slow aura for 100 more gold[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher][quote=Phoenix0000ff] Kinda a meh point to argue about how much damage Amumu's despair does. I agree with the wall of text with the exception that I believe he (Throatslasher) undervalues Warmogs. I also don't agree with the sentiment that Sunfire is a poor item when not stacked with abyssal. I'll say it again I seen many high elo people using it and the statistics of the item also look good. [/quote] Warmogs is trash. the following are the only people that should ever build warmogs: mundo volibear olaf anivia galio MAYBE j4. That's it. If you build warmogs on anyone else as part of your core build, you're freakin' doing it WRONG. If you disagree, tell me which champs it's good on, and i'll point out which item is better (it will typicall be frozen mallet or randuins) Also, force of nature is trashy on everyone but singed, with rare exception. There are better magic resist items for tanks, namely Abyssal and spirit visage.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]^Do you use fromal on nid or warmog's? I'm not a nid expert or anything, I just usually see warmogs. Or used to, before the atma's nerf. EDIT: And what about FoN on mundo (when SV isn't enough MR), irelia, jarvan, nasus (even tho he's kinda bad), skarner, volibear and trundle?[/quote]

[quote=Anastasios]Is warmogs good on GP? I usually play him Triforce Warmogs Atmas[/quote]

[quote=Phoenix0000ff]This isn't a warmogs thread so I'll respond in message : S[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=throatslasher] That's it. If you build warmogs on anyone else as part of your core build, you're freakin' doing it WRONG. If you disagree, tell me which champs it's good on, and i'll point out which item is better (it will typicall be frozen mallet or randuins) [/quote] Gangplank? considering he already has a slow which makes FM and Randuins slow pointless but anyways ive been seeing a lot of sunfire capes on tanks like shen and amumu and normally i stay away from them but that extra damage just never seemed appealing to me ever[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher]Gp's slow is negligent. When you start teamfight by parlaying their carry and slowing them upwards of 30%+, tell me that's not better than having 400 more health. I've tried warmogs on nidalee. It's decent, but I prefer triforce rush and then actual damage, typically in the form of bloodthirster. I play nidalee as a split pusher, so I rarely teamfight with her. FoN is ok on mundo because you'll be rolling around with 4000 health AND spirit visage. SV and FoN have amazing synergy[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]So just, why are we getting Warmogs on Anivia and Galio though...?[/quote]

[quote=koksei]I used to stack 4-5 sf'son mumu but then they made it singleuse :([/quote]

[quote=SirAeros][quote=Nighthawk] So just, why are we getting Warmogs on Anivia and Galio though...? [/quote] Anivia for the same reason you get [[Rod of Ages]] the Fact that she gains Double Life(Passive) from it if I remeber Froggen had a Legendary Anivia Build Where he would Go Warmogs+Meijais making you very annoying to deal with and Tank Galio due the fact that [[Bulwark]] is OP as Fuck[/quote]