Tiger Stance Udyr theorycrafting

[quote=Rivet]I do agree 9 times out of 10 you're better off going [[trinity force]] over [[frozen mallet]] But i also think [[wit's end]] would be a better choice instead of [[blade of the ruined king]] as a standard setup, Id swap it out for Botrk only if there are a couple or more enemys with lotsss of health, this is with me taking either [[grez's spectral lantern]] or [[wriggle's lantern]] early game though for the lifesteal.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Problem of your build, you got 0 CDR. As [[udyr]], you need to proc your [[tiger stance]] and have your [[turtle stance]] very often. This is why 40% CDR is like a must have. And I got [[frozen heart]] to fix 3 things at once. 1. 2. highest armor in the game. 2. 20% CDR 3. Mana Probelms The Aura is also a bonus. Also [[udyr]] doesn't need that much HP, as he has [[turtle stance]]. And Spellblade just focuses onto base dmg, not any bonus damage.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]Udyr doesn't have mana problems, you do Nickname.[/quote]

[quote=DarkPercy][quote=lifebaka] [quote=NicknameMy] And why get aegis if your support gets it? [/quote] Largely because you can finish significantly faster than your support usually can. Jungle farm isn't great, but it's still a lot better than what supports usually get. Plus, the support is going to rush [[Sightstone]] and probably get boots and Philo before working on it, which is more gold than [[Spirit Stone]] and boots in addition to their lower income. Also, it frees up your support do, like, do other stuff with that item slot. [/quote] And depending on what type of jungler you are playing, sometimes you and your support won't be in the same area in a teamfight, making your entire team benefit from [[runic bulwark]] instead of only half of it[/quote]

[quote=DarkPercy]Btw, I'm confused. [[udyr]] keeps getting his mana costs lowered and he finally gets a Physical damage source with an incredibly stupid AD ratio and you guys are all talking about [[spirit visage]], [[muramana]] and [[iceborn gauntlet]]. lol? I thought the discussion would be over how retarded a fed [[bloodthirster]] [[udyr]]'s damage would be ;p. [[black cleaver]], [[bloodthirster]], maybe [[blade of the ruined king]] instead if you terribly need da movement speedz. Everything else tanky items probably. ([[randuin's omen]] and stuff) [[udyr]]'s mana is very easy to manage ._.[/quote]

[quote=Rivet]His mana is fine, can disappear quickly early game but I find when it's getting low im ready to go back for another item and I blow the rest on farming before returning, by level 10 it seems infinate as long as you're not bear stancing everywhere. attack speed seems to have been working really well on him damage wise, Im always wanting to put more attack damage items on him but I find if you go tanky you can stay alive much longer, get multiple tigers off on them and the damage is usually suffice with the attack speed and damage from a [[wit's end]] and later build your [[phage]] into [[trinity force]], if you're dominating with these items which is often the case I might go more offensive still with [[black cleaver]] which will benefit from the AS as well.[/quote]

[quote=DarkPercy]Oh god, the bonus damage from Q (+% of AD on each autoattack) can crit... and his turtle shield can also now crit... and his Q gives alot of free AS... [[youmuu's ghostblade]] (or any crit chance item you like) core on [[udyr]] I called it first EDIT: nvm it doesn't. Forget it.[/quote]

[quote=Joshified]Am I the only one who likes Pheonix form [[Udyr]] better? >o<[/quote]

[quote=Rivet]Ahaha, He's only not being discussed here since this is specifically Tiger Udyr discussion, from my experience most other people I've seen play him like to go phoenix, I think phoenix is exclusively for Jungle Udyr though, even then I personally go Tiger..[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, it is no secret that Phoenix Udyr was some time ago a counterpick to Yorick.[/quote]