Tiger Stance Udyr theorycrafting

[quote=NicknameMy]But [[frozen heart]] would with [[spirit visage]] overcap my CDR and [[iceborn gauntlet]] has useless AP and the defense value of other items is higher. If I already got [[the black cleaver]]+[[blade of the ruined king]]+[[last whisper]], I need as much tankyness as possible. And why get aegis if your support gets it?[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]You get Aegis because it gives you amazing stats for the cost. Not to mention the stats your team will be getting for free. [[Spirit Stone]] solves most of Udyr's mana problems. I usually build very tanky and might consider only building cleaver in certain situations. BotRK is nice, but not a high priority when it comes to my Udyr.[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=NicknameMy] And why get aegis if your support gets it? [/quote] Largely because you can finish significantly faster than your support usually can. Jungle farm isn't great, but it's still a lot better than what supports usually get. Plus, the support is going to rush [[Sightstone]] and probably get boots and Philo before working on it, which is more gold than [[Spirit Stone]] and boots in addition to their lower income. Also, it frees up your support do, like, do other stuff with that item slot.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]With [[frozen heart]]+[[runic bulwark]] I would have enough tankyness to combine this with [[the black cleaver]], [[last whisper]] and [[blade of the ruined king]] (What is acutally better, [[blade of the ruined king]] or even [[the bloodthirster]]? [[Udyr]] has really high AD-ratios now.)[/quote]

[quote=Satella]Supports generally spend most of their income on wards anyway (3 slots already taken up by sightstone and the 2 ward types). Then there's boots, GP5, and health potions. I don't have the inventory slot to spare on a locket/aegis unless I'm [[Janna]] and usually I just ask my jungler to build it with great success. Despite popular belief, your teammates will work as a team if you ask them to.[/quote]

[quote=Rivet]Udyr decimates on Twisted treeline, I've been playing him there with a lot of success before and after his rework you have to build him tanky though. I've been rushing [[grez's spectral lantern]] and using it to power through farming the whole game and helps a lot with staying at full hp, then trying to fit in [[brutalizer]] and [[sheen]] as soon as among defensive boots and other defensive things like [[runic bulwark]]. later on I might get the [[last whisper]] and build my smaller items into the better ones, the damage stays relatively high. Early on I find you have to be careful, you're not tanky enough to survive very long until you get some items, Mana is a problem early but even with the small max mana boost from [[sheen]] I find there comes a point fairly early when it seems like you don't have to think about mana anymore it just lasts, there's the mid heal buff as well. Ive been going 21/9/0 and attack damage marks and quints with armour and magic res seals and glyphs. from early mid game you can spike in power and stay there all game, as long as you're constantly flying around farming everywhere you can[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]I go 9/21/0 because kiting is a bitch to handle sometimes and i'm always in the midst of things. @NicknameMy: As people have said, going for Aegis before your support just helps your team in many ways. IMO, having the [[Frozen Heart]]+[[Runic Bulwark]] combo is tankyness enough on [[Udyr]]. 125 armor, 55 MR, 400 mana, 10 health regen... enough mana to keep switching back to Turtle and dish out damage like a boss. Also, I would rather have [[Blade of the ruined king]] over [[the bloodthirster]] for the AS and the active. I guess to round out your build all that's left is deciding on boots, which is easy: tabi, treads or swiftness, depending on enemy team comp. I've been testing out that new tiger stance and it is GODLY for splitpushing. [[Udyr]] was already a force on this subject, but this just makes things so much easier. Clear wave, Bear to the tower, Turtle -> Tiger for passive proc and bye bye tower. The only issue I'm having right now with him is the order in which to build. If I start tanky I don't die but I have a hard time killing. If I start damage-heavy things can go wrong fast and I get behind. Been thinking of rushing [[Aegis of the Legion]], then going [[The brutalizer]], [[glacial shroud]], [[bilgewater cutlass]]. And then deciding on what is needed most. Downside is I take a long time to finish a major item.[/quote]

[quote=Rivet]I'd say staying alive is a much more advantageous option, as long as you get something tanky as soon as, you can get a couple of damage items in there before going for some more serious tank items. I love the lantern for whichever map and [[mercury's treads]] to start as it gives Armour, magic res a little extra damage, and the tenacity makes up somewhat for my 21/9/0. [[locket of the iron solari]] would be awesome if you don't want the lantern, but the maim/butcher really does help get the gold flying up, and Id have to rush [[brutalizer]] next, although I usually would anyway. I'd personally prioritize AD over AS since he's got his own 70% AS boost and with AD ratios of 160% its really worth it. I think [[trinity force]] or [[frozen mallet]] both work really well on him too, I like to get one or the other.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Yes, staying alive gets you strong mid-late game, but on the other hand the opposition can also be on the same level. If you manage to score some kills, you're ahead. Against higher skilled players, this is crucial. [[Locket of the Iron solari]] and [[shurelya's reverie]] are very situational. Both every useful as well. Although I think better on champs like [[Olaf]]. And yeah, [[Trinity Force]] is great on him, especially when you have other AD items to make your spellblade ridiculously good. For a more tanky build I don't think it's that effective and would rather have other pure damage or mitigation item.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]Do not buy [[Frozen Mallet]] on Udyr, If you want a slow buy [[Trinity Force]]. Trinity into LW is very strong on Udyr right now. BotRK is a decent purchase, but I'm not finding it as strong as I would like. [[Spirit of the Ancient Golem]] [[Boots of Swiftness]] [[Runic Bulwark]] [[Trinity Force]] [[Randuin's Omen]] [[Last Whisper]] This is what my Udyr looks like in a perfect scenario. You don't really engage with Udyr, hes more of a follow up bruiser. I personally play him as a mid line champion, fighting back enemy bruisers while our team engages. [[Frozen Heart]] is a great item, but Omen is a much better buy for Udyr. If I were to change anything I might consider [[Spirit Visage]] over bulwark.[/quote]