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TheRealCefor wrote:
Lol I'm sorry, do I know you? I must since you know I play Cho, even though I only played him once in 'in-house'. I'm surprised you remembered!
I always remember people who make a statement along the lines of “
Cho'Gath is great, and his passive is ****ing ridiculous late-game; I last hit 3 creeps and am back up to full health.”TheRealCefor wrote:
Now, how to put this delicately...?
Getting your own lines is too hard? Or is this like a joke, where you kind of like take someone's words and make them eat them? That's very cute.
TheRealCefor wrote:
Your ability to utilize gifs to express your biased feelings is outstanding, I wish I was that clever. For someone that thinks Veigar is very underwhelming in his current form and will suffer from his upcoming changes, PLEASE INFORM RIOT IMMEDIATELY.
That's a tautology; feelings are always biased. However, this has nothing to do with feelings, just with facts. You are the one with the feelings here; the crazy obsession with a single champion who cannot stand that better players consider him to be terrible.
Also, for the record; I merely stated that
Veigar will go from unviable to unviable, I never said this change will make him worse or not, but thank you for not passing that 3rd grade reading class, as you can see it makes things a lot easier.TheRealCefor wrote:
They are making a grave mistake and clearly do not know what they are doing. Grandmaster, I for one support your rude, yet heartfelt act of trying to put someone like me in his place. Good job of voicing your sound opinion, I look forward at your next attempt to one-up me, please have your friends join in, I don't mind the company.
Thank you for supporting me, please continue to do so by not posting any more ******** and leaving this place; it would make my day a lot easier. No friends are needed – not that I really have them; I can handle this myself, and it would be unethical to waste their time for this ********.
Shuru wrote:
Well... lets just give you an example of his weaknesses.
1. Squishy
2. no escape
3. No AoE
4. Stun is only good against people who can't position well, or in 1v1s (to clarify, if you get close enough to hit a back line with this in a team fight, you should be bursted before you can even cast it.)
5. if you have good CC, and avoid veigars stun, he'll likely lose that trade/fight
6. Roam potential is weak
7. no way to the back line without going through the front line.
8. After he uses his kit he has nothing else left (others like ahri, Leblanc, twisted fate, etc all have something more once they burn their kit, and can still provide in a team fight, note that the three I've listed also all have a way of getting to the back line rather easily.)
Need I say more? strengths you say?
1. High AP
2. can 100-0 people out of position
3. A stun to help him 1v1
4. A purple hat.
1. Squishy
2. no escape
3. No AoE
4. Stun is only good against people who can't position well, or in 1v1s (to clarify, if you get close enough to hit a back line with this in a team fight, you should be bursted before you can even cast it.)
5. if you have good CC, and avoid veigars stun, he'll likely lose that trade/fight
6. Roam potential is weak
7. no way to the back line without going through the front line.
8. After he uses his kit he has nothing else left (others like ahri, Leblanc, twisted fate, etc all have something more once they burn their kit, and can still provide in a team fight, note that the three I've listed also all have a way of getting to the back line rather easily.)
Need I say more? strengths you say?
1. High AP
2. can 100-0 people out of position
3. A stun to help him 1v1
4. A purple hat.
An accurate assessment.
TheRealCefor wrote:
lol! No AoE! His W is all AoE. You just ruined your rant
A pathetic attempt. One skill does not make him a good area-of-effect mage, the only kind that's viable right now; even
Zed has more area-of-effect abilities, but no one will bring that up in a discussion regarding him.TheRealCefor wrote:
Lol look at mister meta here, must of watch a few youtube channels to build his play style. Saying you'll never get hit by skillshots insists that you are a god and no one has ever outplayed you. You sir, are full of himself.
Saying people will almost always get hit by them is equally delusional; high cool downs, high risk, and mediocre reward do not go well together. Also, yourself*.
HiFromBuddha wrote:
Calm down guys. I understand you're all passionate, but please don't lose focus of the topic at hand. Anything that is targeted directly at a person's ability to play the game is unnecessary.
In discussions, I agree. However, when someone makes wild claims that their favourite champion is going to suddenly be relevant just because they got a new skillshot and 200 more range, then I their ability to play the game is completely relevant.
Jimmydoggga 2.0 wrote:
He's OP in low ELO because he can kill someone, and then stall until he can repeat it because the other team doesn't realise he's effectively useless and think they're now outnumbered. In other ELO even if you do engage if he can kite he'll blow his abilities. and run off and idiots will pursue him endlessly because "he's the APC durr."
He's definitely not OP though.
He's definitely not OP though.
A champion's viability is not ever attached to skill of the players they are used against.
Azir, Zed, and Ahri are still so much more potent than Veigar, even in “Low Elo”.P.S. Stop writing Elo with all capital letters; it's a name, not an abbreviation.
Vaan99 wrote:
OP, what was your intention with this thread?
You listed your opinion on veigar changes in original post and then whenever someone voices his opinion, you get upset and take it as it was directed towards you; or you return "insult" to the person.
If you really think that veigar is amazing champion, show it with your results and not with some pointless arguing on internet.
You listed your opinion on veigar changes in original post and then whenever someone voices his opinion, you get upset and take it as it was directed towards you; or you return "insult" to the person.
If you really think that veigar is amazing champion, show it with your results and not with some pointless arguing on internet.
Thank you.
Vaan99 wrote:
I like Q change, it will definitely help veigar laning, if you are skilled enough you can farm and harass at the same time or double farm Q, it's definitely a buff. Change on his E was necessarry, veigar was even played in OGN couple days ago in support position, not for his damage, but for his instant aoe 2.5 seconds stun and.
I don't think this change will accomplish much, veigar will still be very easily gankable, squishy mage without escapes or any mobility.
I don't think this change will accomplish much, veigar will still be very easily gankable, squishy mage without escapes or any mobility.
I agree, but they haven't taken
Veigar away from the idea of being a one for one champion; he needs to be given more options, which is rather easy as the only two things you need to maintain are his AP stacking ability and the stun, everything else is rather bland and not actually all that inherent to Veigar's design.Quoted:
It's because he feels like they're ganging up on him, because they all have a similar opinion, and that opinion differs from his.
No one would be that short-sighted... Right?
ArgusGaming wrote:
Don't really know what I think of him getting a champion update. Veigar is a good champion already. With Q ability power stack doubled that will be kinda dangerous. For now it doesn't worry me, because where I am playing (In Gold 1) there isn't many Veigar players.
Veigar isn't good, and even people in Gold I realise that, which is why they don't play him.
The_Nameless_Bard wrote:
As an aside, Elo is simply the surname of the person who invented it, not an acronym (only the E is capitalized).
GMD is rubbing off on you.
Vapora Dark wrote:
GMD is rubbing off on you.
Also, most of you are really undervaluing Veigar lol. Just because he's not great doesn't mean he's useless like you're all making him out to be. And no, his W is nowhere near unhittable, you just place it so that the enemy either has to either walk into it, or stop what they're doing to go out of their way to dodge it.
The_Nameless_Bard wrote:
Are you saying that's a bad thing? Also, I knew that particular fact long before GMD and I even started speaking outside of the MOBAFire forums, let alone more than that.
... It was neither implied nor thought. I was just saying that because I've seen GMD take the time to point that out before in numerous posts.
Vapora Dark wrote:
Also, most of you are really undervaluing Veigar lol. Just because he's not great doesn't mean he's useless like you're all making him out to be. And no, his W is nowhere near unhittable, you just place it so that the enemy either has to either walk into it, or stop what they're doing to go out of their way to dodge it.
Vapora Dark wrote:
... It was neither implied nor thought. I was just saying that because I've seen GMD take the time to point that out before in numerous posts.
What they've done is taken a champion with reliable bursting power.
Then they removed Deathfire Grasp. Not a big deal, only a little off of the burst.
Then they made it so that the one thing he had going for him (Reliable burst!) is now much weakened.
So now what we have is... A walking 1000 AP champion with a very low chance of being able to even get into range, let alone hit most of his abilities late game. Which is ridiculous when his whole point lategame was to catch a priority target out, and make sure they did not exist for the next fight. Taking that away from him has made him quite possibly one of the most useless champion's in the game IMO.
And I may or may not be slightly salty because now I won't use my Final Boss as much :P.
Then they removed
Deathfire Grasp. Not a big deal, only a little off of the burst.Then they made it so that the one thing he had going for him (Reliable burst!) is now much weakened.
So now what we have is... A walking 1000 AP champion with a very low chance of being able to even get into range, let alone hit most of his abilities late game. Which is ridiculous when his whole point lategame was to catch a priority target out, and make sure they did not exist for the next fight. Taking that away from him has made him quite possibly one of the most useless champion's in the game IMO.
And I may or may not be slightly salty because now I won't use my Final Boss as much :P.
Vaan99 wrote:
OP, what was your intention with this thread?
You listed your opinion on veigar changes in original post and then whenever someone voices his opinion, you get upset and take it as it was directed towards you; or you return "insult" to the person.
If you really think that veigar is amazing champion, show it with your results and not with some pointless arguing on internet.
You listed your opinion on veigar changes in original post and then whenever someone voices his opinion, you get upset and take it as it was directed towards you; or you return "insult" to the person.
If you really think that veigar is amazing champion, show it with your results and not with some pointless arguing on internet.
You'll be surprised how effective this strategy is to increase views of a thread. The 'upset' part is an act created by me to boosts posts and increase awareness about Veigar. Looks like you fell into my trap.
TheRealCefor wrote:
You'll be surprised how effective this strategy is to increase views of a thread. The 'upset' part is an act created by me to boosts posts and increase awareness about Veigar. Looks like you fell into my trap.
Change is gooooood
The moment people are going to play him (because of his update) it won't be to hard playing vs him. The reason is that often people likes to pick what they think is good, instead of a champ they actually can play. Can't say for sure, but we will see!