What would the perfect world be like?

[quote=Dotter]^ I think people do that (talk bad about other groups of people) to strenghten their own position, because they are either weak or narrow-minded. But also to strenghten the feeling of being in a certain group or whatsoever. Kind of like some subcultures (hooliganism is a great example) Edit: I'm not a fan of that behaviour myself, but I do understand why some people do it..[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy][quote=Dotter] [quote=jhoijhoi] The world would be perfect if you couldn't have children unless you had enough money to (ie: you can fully SUPPORT the child you bring into existence). I know this idea is heartless, and it'd take probably two generations (70-100 years) for the effects to become visible, but after that, the population would have stabilised, and there would be far less people going homeless or hungry. That would cure a lot of the world's problems right there. Some people have children without considering whether or not it is wise to do so. My $0.02c. [/quote] So if you are born into a poor place you are not allowed to have children, which in many people's eyes are the maingoal in life, to create a family.. That is heartless, and in my opinion not near to be perfect x) [/quote] Let's see, if you would be poor, would you rather a) Have a child, which will be poor too, which you can not buy clothes/food for (and the child will therefore be unhappy)? or b) Don't have a child and lead a happy and somewhat better life yourself? Going for b) ![/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi][quote=dotter]So if you are born into a poor place you are not allowed to have children, which in many people's eyes are the maingoal in life, to create a family.. That is heartless, and in my opinion not near to be perfect x)[/quote] I already said it was heartless, no need to copy my exact words? I said that after 100 years, it would result in a world with less problems. Are you advocating people having children without the means to support them? "I'm 14 years old, I want a baby, Imma have one, even though I can't possibly feed it, but hey, if you don't let me, you're heartless". "I live in Africa, a woman of a poor tribe. Around me children are dying and I'm sick myself. But it would be heartless for me not to have children if I wanted them in this despicable lifestyle I live in." "Hi, I'm a 20 year old woman living with my parents. I got pregnant. I'm just going to give the baby up for adoption, because I can't afford it." The world shouldn't work like that. As I said, a perfect world would be a place where everyone could have a million babies as long as they could support them. I'm sick of seeing stories in the news about malnutrition children because they were born poor. I realise people who can't afford birth control will have sex and have children, but sex isn't just something that happens in a split second (please don't say RAPE WHAT ABOUT RAPE YOU IGNORANT MORON, because I am talking about sex. Sex sex sex, consensual sex that doesn't occur without consent and the two people knowing what they're doing). Please don't respond to this post with silly arguments. I already said my suggestion was heartless and cruel. I don't need anyone trying to tear down my hypothetical solution when I know it's not feasible anyway.[/quote]

[quote=Dotter]I made this for discussing, I'm not trying to tear it apart, I simply just state that I disagree, since I support equality among humans.. I know it might not be ideal, but I support that people have the same rights, even though they are born under different circumstances. And I'm not talking about rapes either, rape is an entirely different situation.. What I mean is that I think it is morally wrong to forbid poor people from having babies.. I'm not talking about a 14-year old, because a 14-year old is not socially ready for a child.. I'm talking about a couple, who might not have money to fully support a child, because don't have the ressources for that.. I just think it's wrong that people should be allowed to have children based on their income.. But I get why your idea would probably work effectively, but as you said it is kinda heartless. I might have misunderstanded what you meant, if that is the case, then don't mind what I wrote above x)[/quote]

[quote=Dotter][i]So if you are born into a poor place you are not allowed to have children, which in many people's eyes are the maingoal in life, to create a family.. That is heartless, and in my opinion not near to be perfect x) Let's see, if you would be poor, would you rather a) Have a child, which will be poor too, which you can not buy clothes/food for (and the child will therefore be unhappy)? or b) Don't have a child and lead a happy and somewhat better life yourself? Going for b) ![/i] I don't think all people think that way, which makes the situation alot harder.. If what you state was the case, I wonder why you hear so many story of parents, who picks choice A.[/quote]

[quote=KingCasanova]I'll say it again, its hard to post in this thread without sounding ignorant.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy][quote=Dotter] [i]So if you are born into a poor place you are not allowed to have children, which in many people's eyes are the maingoal in life, to create a family.. That is heartless, and in my opinion not near to be perfect x) Let's see, if you would be poor, would you rather a) Have a child, which will be poor too, which you can not buy clothes/food for (and the child will therefore be unhappy)? or b) Don't have a child and lead a happy and somewhat better life yourself? Going for b) ![/i] I don't think all people think that way, which makes the situation alot harder.. If what you state was the case, I wonder why you hear so many story of parents, who picks choice A. [/quote] I wonder too... But I would personally go for b, too bad most people go for a. Would save the world a whole lot of trouble... [quote=jhoijhoi]As I said, a perfect world would be a place where everyone could have a million babies as long as they could support them. I'm sick of seeing stories in the news about malnutrition children because they were born poor. I realise people who can't afford birth control will have sex and have children, but sex isn't just something that happens in a split second[/quote] Yes, I agree 100 % with this.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]If there were easy solutions to the infinite problems, and their intricate complexities, I believe you would see more examples of those solutions in action. The reality is, there are no easy solutions; the hard solutions one person offers and believes to be the most/only realistic suggestions to provide plausible improvement to one fucked up situation, will generally tend to leave another person in a bad situation, or leave them without basic rights that most people consider to be rights humans are all entitled to. Realistically the human society is not a place where perfection can be achieved. The world is imperfect (It doesn't care if you suffer, sun keeps rising, sun keeps setting, globe keeps turning), people are imperfect (Dog eat dog comes to mind), and in that imperfection lies the simple truth that you have to provide yourself with the things you want. Life gives some people free hand outs, but not to everybody, and if you're one of those people who gets screwed over and it seems unfair, that's because it probably is unfair. Fair in the world we live in simply does not exist. To me, a perfect world might be a delicious hamburger. :P[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi][quote=jhoijhoi]"I live in Africa, a woman of a poor tribe. Around me children are dying and I'm sick myself. But it would be heartless for me not to have children if I wanted them in this despicable lifestyle I live in." [/quote] lolwow.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]Here's a proper answer. In a perfect world, humans never came about and it was wilderness and wildlife everywhere. :P[/quote]