Shyvana Theorycraftin'

[quote=Atarios]Ive heard her skills are mostly ap, but they build her dps. Anyone know why?[/quote]

[quote=Zoki]Skarner has AP skills yet he is majorly used as DPS. Maybe same strategy. I think Shyvana will be AP viable but it wont be major in AP rather than in DPS(possibly tank).[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]i like wits end and rageblade on her. might through a gunblade in there too. also her ult technically does have a cooldown. you have to wait for rage to charge and it only does that at a slow rate, which is 90 seconds. also i got the best ks with her and i show up out of nowhere and ult for the ks. totally awesome.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]She has one AP skill. They all have pretty bad ratios IMO. Q rests the AA timer. As soon as you hit six and put a point in the ult, you can use it as it gives 100 fury right when you put the point in.[/quote]

[quote=Zoki]And you gain fury with autoattack, so with huge minions waves you can get ultimate up in matter of seconds.[/quote]

[quote=Initial D][quote=Zoki] And you gain fury with autoattack, so with huge minions waves you can get ultimate up in matter of seconds. [/quote] This. My experiences so far; You will want mpen Marks, armor Seals, MR/level Glyphs, and arpen Quints. This covers her bases for being too squishy as well as penetrating defenses as she does a very heavy mix of physical AND magic damage. Attack speed is not as necessary because items will make up the difference. Here is the Masteries set up I have been using; http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=0-0-1-3-4-4-0-1-3-0-0-0-0-0&tree2=0-1-0-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-3-0-1-4-0-0-0-2-0-0-0-0-0-0 Item builds I've used so far were; Mercury's Treads, Triforce (or Frozen Mallet), Wit's End, then building a mix of Sunfire Cape, Phantom Dancer, Force of Nature, Banshee's Veil, Black Cleaver, Bloodthirster and even Malady. When testing jungling I went for Wriggle's Lantern. Summoner spells I like the best are Ghost and Exhaust. You might use Flash or Smite instead for jungling or better mobility, I prefer Ghost for champions like this. Ghost AND Flash might be optimal on her as well depending on your team comp and if laning or not. I have not tried jungling on her when using Exhaust instead of Smite but I feel that she can jungle adequately without Smite. Her mobility is pretty great, not the best but very solid, and her damage and AoE is really gross. I can not confirm it but Triforce appeared to work on every enemy hit by her Q when using her Ult. Damage in team fights was very explosive. Minor gripes; it may be my bad reflexes but after using her ult I've noticed the cone from her E is continually facing the wrong direction or slightly glitchy, maybe a delay, I am not sure. Anyone experienced similar problems? Reminds me of Kassadin.[/quote]

[quote=Adeori]Well, IMO Shyvana is a jungler and DPS, therefore she should get [[wriggle's lantern]]. Secondly, she needs to be tanky - As her scaling sucks, most of her damage comes from staying in the fight - So [[Warmog's armor]] would be good. She also needs attackspeed to regenerate her fury faster - Combining this with tankiness, you get a [[wit's end]]. If you have a [[warmog's armor]] on an AD character, you might aswell get [[atma's impaler]], making her tankier, and also improving her damage. Of course, you'd have boots thrown in somewhere, probably [[mercury's treads]] for CC reduction. As for the final item, it'd have to be situational, since I have no clue. As for runes, I think [[Greater seal of Resilience]] would be neccesary for jungling. Glyphs would probably be [[greater glyph of warding]] for extra tankiness, or maybe [[greater glyph of focus]] for increased DPS I guess. Marks would probably be [[Greater mark of strength]], as I believe most of her skills deal magic damage but scale off AD. Alternatively, she could get [[greater mark of desolation]]. Quints.. Probably the same as marks. So, my final build would be : [color=#ffff00][b][u]Runes[/u][/b][/color] [list][*][[Greater quintessence of strength]] x3 [*][[Greater mark of strength]] x9 [*][[Greater seal of resilience]] x9 [*][[Greater glyph of warding]] x9[/list] [color=#ffff00][b][u]Items[/u][/b][/color] [list][*][[Wriggle's lantern]] [*][[Mercury's treads]] [*][[Wit's end]] [*][[Warmog's armor]] [*][[Atma's impaler]] [*]Situational item[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]heres what i've been running as for items so far. [[mercury's treads]] [[wit's end]] [[hextech gunblade]] [[guinsoo's rageblade]] [[trinity force]] situational, sunfire is a good option though because build has no health or armor. plus that damage goes well with her w. thats what i like to build anyway. as for runes/masteries you guys got it down.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Wiki: [quote][[Fury of the Dragonborn]] (Innate): [[Shyvana]]'s melee attacks enhance her abilities. [[Twin Bite]] - Reduces the cooldown by 0.5 seconds. [[Burnout]] - Extends the duration by 1 second to a maximum of 6 seconds. [[Flame Breath]] - Deals 15% of the ability's damage to debuffed targets. [[Dragon's Descent]] - Attacks generate 2 Fury and [[Shyvana]] passively gains 1 Fury every 1.5 seconds while in human form. [[Twin Bite]] (Active): [[Shyvana]] strikes twice on her next attack. Both attacks trigger On-Hit effects and [[Fury of the Dragonborn]] effects. Dragon Form: [[Twin Bite]] cleaves all units in front of [[Shyvana]]. Bonus damage: 80/85/90/95/100 % of her attack damage. Cooldown: 10/9/8/7/6 [[Burnout]] (Active): [[Shyvana]] deals magic damage per second to nearby enemies and her Movement Speed is greatly increased for 3 seconds. [[Shyvana]]'s Movement Speed bonus is reduced over time. Dragon Form: [[Burnout]] scorches the earth, continuing to damage enemies that stand on it. Magic damage: 25/40/55/70/85 (+0.2 bonus attack damage) Movespeed bonus: 30/35/40/45/50% [[Flame Breath]] (Active): [[Shyvana]] unleashes a fireball that deals magic damage and melts the target's Armor for 4 seconds. Dragon Form: [[Flame Breath]] engulfs all units in a cone in front of [[Shyvana]]. Magic damage: 80/125/170/215/260 (+0.6 ability power) Cooldown: 12/11/10/9/8 [[Dragon's Descent]] (Active): [[Shyvana]] transforms into a dragon and takes flight to a target location. Enemies along her path take magic damage and are knocked toward her target location. Drains 6 fury/second. Changes back when fury runs out. (Passive): [[Shyvana]] reinforces her scales, increasing her Armor and Magic Resist. Defensive bonuses are doubled in Dragon Form. Magic damage: 200/300/400 (+0.7 ability power) Armor/Magic Resist bonus: 15/20/25[/quote][/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]What about Twin Bite´s dmg? Does the second attack plainly count as normal autohit on rank 5? If thats the case I would try her even on AD/Tanky. Reducing(?) enemy groups armor using Flame Breath and cleaving 2-3 champs with 2 x 700-800 crit dmg. Also: Normally those spells would function with spell vamp, but since autohits are the dmg source, is life steal applied to the cleave?[/quote]