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Best AP Mid

Creator: XDotaIsBetterX April 21, 2012 10:52pm
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tehAsian wrote:

So I had a discussion about Kassadin with my friends today.

Turns out he doesn't counter anyone and is hard countered or beaten by almost every AP mid.


This comment makes less sense than George W. Bush becoming a communist. I don't know where this comes from and I don't want to know. It makes no sense; Kassadin hardcounters most mages due to his passive and target silence. His early game isn't as bad as people think and he can outdamage most mages by level 3.
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Probably should have added "by knowing how to abuse Null Sphere's slow projectile speed and predictable rift walk movements." :P

Maybe not hard-countered by most AP mids, but beaten. I got a bit loose with my wording there. But it's true I realized he doesn't hard counter any mid.
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This comment makes less sense than George W. Bush becoming a communist. I don't know where this comes from and I don't want to know. It makes no sense; Kassadin hardcounters most mages due to his passive and target silence. His early game isn't as bad as people think and he can outdamage most mages by level 3.


Kass gets beat pretty hard in lane. JUST IN CASE, you can't handle Kass for some reason, this is where the quote "**** the metagame" comes into play. When you know you can clown on a champion by putting another one up against it, you do it. Make sure your solo top does not pick an AP and just goes an AD based champion. Swap up the lanes. If they swap lanes, we enter the game where people continually swap lanes but in the end, Kass can't keep it up and he's like oh I didn't trash their AP mid, too far behind on cs, levels etc because I'm trying to follow their AP. That's primarily why Kass isn't picked.

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Kass gets beat pretty hard in lane. JUST IN CASE, you can't handle Kass for some reason, this is where the quote "**** the metagame" comes into play. When you know you can clown on a champion by putting another one up against it, you do it. Make sure your solo top does not pick an AP and just goes an AD based champion. Swap up the lanes. If they swap lanes, we enter the game where people continually swap lanes but in the end, Kass can't keep it up and he's like oh I didn't trash their AP mid, too far behind on cs, levels etc because I'm trying to follow their AP. That's primarily why Kass isn't picked.


That is what I said before. Also, Kassadin's laning phase isn't as bad as people think; especially when your jungler comes to interfere. I agree on the fact you don't have to ban him every game; but stating that he is countered by mages is just complete bs that doesn't make one bit of sense.
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tehAsian wrote:

Probably should have added "by knowing how to abuse Null Sphere's slow projectile speed and predictable rift walk movements." :P

Maybe not hard-countered by most AP mids, but beaten. I got a bit loose with my wording there. But it's true I realized he doesn't hard counter any mid.


Shame you are on NA because I'd love to see that :P
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What do you guys think about Katarina mid and how would you counter her?
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What do you guys think about Katarina mid and how would you counter her?


Strong pick; just pick something with ranged harass and spammable hard CC. Kassadin, Viktor, Xerath, etc. are really good against her.
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That is what I said before. Also, Kassadin's laning phase isn't as bad as people think; especially when your jungler comes to interfere. I agree on the fact you don't have to ban him every game; but stating that he is countered by mages is just complete bs that doesn't make one bit of sense.

Ryze and Kennen dunks on Kassadin. Ryze and Kass are both weak early game but Ryze is scarier mid to late. Roaming potential isn't as strong but wards are a necessity. Kennen is such a strong champion, ult when he's about to Riftwalk because it's often apparent when someone is going aggressive or passive. Kennen's auto attack range is huge and things like that just trash Kassadin. Those are mages to me.

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Ryze and Kennen dunks on Kassadin. Ryze and Kass are both weak early game but Ryze is scarier mid to late. Roaming potential isn't as strong but wards are a necessity. Kennen is such a strong champion, ult when he's about to Riftwalk because it's often apparent when someone is going aggressive or passive. Kennen's auto attack range is huge and things like that just trash Kassadin. Those are mages to me.


Never ever lost to a Kennen with Kassadin. Cleanse + Riftwalk make Kennen's abilities useless against him; and well.. Null Sphere shuts him down just as hard. Ryze is quite easy to beat with Kassadin. After, level six you zone him out hard.
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Kennen is such a strong champion, ult when he's about to Riftwalk because it's often apparent when someone is going aggressive or passive. Kennen's auto attack range is huge and things like that just trash Kassadin. Those are mages to me.


^This.

Most Kassadins commit to Null Sphere > Riftwalk > Force Pulse combo so much it's disgusting.

Null Sphere literally travels in slow motion compared to other spells.

The delay for Riftwalk and the predicability of the combo is stupid.

Anyone with a skill that can be 'prepared' will destroy Kassadin even post-6. There's nothing you can do about the animations because that's up to Riot to decide.

Regarding this, Kassadin really needs a decrease in casting time and an increase in projectile speed.
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