Lulu support carry/hybrid build

[quote=Bittersweet]Just looking for some critism for my lulu build won't do the entire order just yet, but the final product is basically... Athenes unholy grail: Ionian boots of lucidity: archangels staff: rod of ages: will of the ancients elisias miricle: This will give me on average these stats throughout the game. 40% cooldown reduction 285 Ability power 60 Mana regeneration 25 Health regeneration 20% spell vamp 36 Magic resistance 2125 Mana 630 health 35% tenacity Will add in the full order of items tomorrow, just really tired right now xD.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]I'd rather see Mercury's Treads and Shurelya's Reverie instead of Ionian Boots of Lucidity and Eleisa's Miracle. Also Athene's Unholy Grail + Archangel's Staff = unnecessary. Better replace Archangel's Staff with something else... how about a Rabadon's Deathcap? :D Other then that, seems legit :D (assuming you go mid/top)[/quote]

[quote=Bittersweet]Reason's for items like Archangels and athenes is because of the midgame items I build up towards. My usual build set-up is... Regrowth pendant> [b]Philospher stone[/b] Meki's pendant> [b]Tear of the goddess[/b] Boot's of speed > [b]Inoian boots of lucidity[/b] [b]Chalice of harmony[/b] [b]Fiendish codex[/b]> [b]Athene's unholy grail[/b] That starting combonation with my masteries gives me the 40% cdr, and a good level of mana regeneration to allow constant spam of my spells to support allies, or to harass my opponent depending on the curcumstances. Which also allows for the fast capping of ToG for when I go up to archangels staff. This is especially helpful due to Lulu's average mana cost on spells, but very low comparable mana early on (200 base at level 1, while help pix costs 60 mana level 1, or glitterlance 40 at level 1) So it gives her some much needed sustain in the shortterm without hampering myself in the longterm. After that I work towards WotA and RoA to give me a strong hit to my AP at the midgame so my skills don't fall off while still making myself out to be a threat. and being able to reduce my spells from 7 to 4 seconds (glitterlance) 12 to 7 seconds (whimsy) 10 to 6 (help pix), and 80 to 48 (Wild growth.) while always having the mana to use these spells constantly allows for constant help in team fights instead of a buff dump then run which without the CDR would be what lulu has. It's either Rvelrie or miricle depending on the level of CC I'm going up against.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]Well both athene's AND archangel's is just redundant. Taking Mercs and Shurelya's over Eleisa's and Ionian just because you get that bonus effect from Shurelya's and the rest remains pretty much the same.[/quote]

[quote=Bittersweet]Be supprised just how important those cdr is on Lulu, so unless I trade out archangels and boots for say nashors tooth to keep that cooldown cap, it just seems like a meh idea is all. Revelrie one makes sense though. edit: I derped, forgot that SR gives cdr as well. So yeah agree with the second half :) So what would you suggest instead of archangels? Rabadons is fine as a final game goal, but this isn't exactly a cheap build at the moment for a character who won't be receving a lot of gold (Even with 5 from quints/masteries, and 5 from phil stone.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]Perhaps Malady? No idea really, I haven't played Lulu enough :x[/quote]

[quote=Bittersweet]hmm perhaps manamune, but nashors is kind of wasted since it results in the 25% cdr being made redundant thanks to the 40% cap[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][[Athene's Unholy Grail]] - 15% CDR [[Shurelya's Reverie]] - 15% CDR [[Elixir of Brilliance]] - 10% CDR That's 40% CDR. You can also make up the last 10% with masteries or blue buff. There's really no need for another CDR item to hit the cap. Judging by your rather expensive build with a lot of AP, you should definitely have a [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] in there. You're wasting so much potential damage if you don't build it (it's only a few hundred more gold than [[Archangel's Staff]], so money shouldn't be a problem). Personally I'd get [[Zhonya's Hourglass]] or [[Void Staff]] over [[Rod of Ages]]. You already have a lot of other items to build early game and you're getting some health from [[Shurelya's Reverie]]. Building philosopher's stone, boots2, RoA and Athene's really delays your damage.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999][[Lulu]]'s spells aren't really spammable. [[Archangel's Staff]] is a waste. It'd be better for you to have something like this (assuming you go top): [[Boots of Speed]] + 3x [[Health Potion]]s [[Philosopher's Stone]] [[Chalice of Harmony]] [[Mercury's Treads]] (Just final items after this, purchase order is situational at this point) [[Zhonya's Hourglass]] [[Athene's Unholy Grail]] [[Shurelya's Reverie]] [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] [[Void Staff]] (Or [[Abyssal Scepter]]) If you are going to support, getting AP items is probably going to be too expensive. Support: [[Faerie Charm]] + 3x [[Sight Ward]]s + 2x [[Health Potion]]s [[Philosopher's stone]] [[Boots of Speed]] [[Heart of gold]] [[Aegis of the Legion]] [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Abyssal Scepter]] [[Shurelya's Reverie]] [[Athene's Unholy Grail]] [[Randuin's Omen]] OR [[Zhonya's Hourglass]] OR [[Rabadon's Deathcap]][/quote]