Darius Theorycrafting

[quote=NicknameMy]Just consider [[trinity force]](first item) and [[atma's impaler]](after [[warmog's armor]]) as a mix of tanky and damage items and you got enough of it. Atrimog's all the way. Survive a full teamfight with medium damage is better than dying instantly with high damage. Problem with [[riven]] is, you can't get [[trinity force]]. You need to buy different items to make it up. And [[riven]] doesn't have that ult, which is most usefull if you stay as long as possible in the teamfight. [[Lee sin]] has great ratios aswell, still everyone (who plays serious) builds him tanky. His high cc helps him at that. I think, if a champion scales well if he stays longer in a teamfight and still brings something usefull to the team, he can go tank effectively. [[darius]] has good cc and can finish off any enemy threat if it is low.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999][quote=NicknameMy] Just consider [[trinity force]](first item) and [[atma's impaler]](after [[warmog's armor]]) as a mix of tanky and damage items and you got enough of it. Atrimog's all the way. [/quote] You are probably going to get blown up super fast if you rush a [[TRinity Force]]. Not to mention that if someone shuts you down in lane ([[Darius]] doesn't auto win a ton of lanes), then you can't afford that. You have 0 innate tankiness, and rushing something that doesn't really improve your survivability or damage that much is not a great idea. [quote=NicknameMy] Survive a full teamfight with medium damage is better than dying instantly with high damage. [/quote] My build I use isn't glass cannon though. I don't understand what is wrong with a build like this: [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[The Bloodthirster]] [[Maw of Malmortius]] [[Wit's End]] or [[Last Whisper]] or [[Frozen Heart]]/[[Randuin's Omen]] [[Guardian Angel]] [quote=NicknameMy] Problem with [[riven]] is, you can't get [[trinity force]]. You need to buy different items to make it up. And [[riven]] doesn't have that ult, which is most usefull if you stay as long as possible in the teamfight. [[Lee sin]] has great ratios aswell, still everyone (who plays serious) builds him tanky. His high cc helps him at that. I think, if a champion scales well if he stays longer in a teamfight and still brings something usefull to the team, he can go tank effectively. [[darius]] has good cc and can finish off any enemy threat if it is low. [/quote] Also, yes I understand [[Lee Sin]] is built tanky, but he also has extreme mobility, and has several types of devastating CC. Not to mention he has a shield and built in super sustain. [[Darius]] has one CC, which is on a 22 second cooldown unless you level it. It's also super short ranged. [[Lee sin]] can kick their tank into their carries. [[Darius]] can't. Also, last time I checked, TheOddOne plays [[Lee Sin]] as AD, and not tanky. If you watch his stream he'll do it when he plays Lee. [quote=NicknameMy] [[darius]] has good cc and can finish off any enemy threat if it is low. [/quote] Forgive me, [[Darius]] has 2 CC's, a slow and a pull. The pull is short ranged and on a long cooldown. The slow does little to no damage because we aren't building that much AD. Can anyone finish off an enemy threat if they are low? I mean, honestly, if someone has 680 health, your ranged AD, or even your AP carry should be able to finish them off. So, you're gonna just steal the kill with [[Noxian Guillotine]]? If you are gonna go tank [[Darius]] that has to be the worst crime to commit ever. The [b]tank[/b] does not need kills. All you are doing is giving kills to someone who will get tankier, use their CC, and then do around 500 damage for the rest of the fight. If you gave those kills to the AD carry, they would probably be able to buy better items and increase their damage by [b]a lot[/b]. Also, if I really needed a CC monster who can tank, I'd play [[Alistar]] or [[Leona]]. Heck, even [[Blitzcrank]] has similar yet better CC than [[Darius]]. Or [[Nautilus]], or [[Amumu]] or [[Shen]] or [[Rammus]]. I could keep going with a list for days.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Hey, what you are suggesting is a tanky build. It has just less damage and less survivability than atrimog's. BTW: Earlygame, [[phage]] and 2 [[doran's blade]] + defensive boots are enough survivability.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]Well, I don't know your full build, but from what I got from Duff, his build looks like this: [[Mercury's TReads]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Maw of Malmortius]] [[Guardian Angel]] [[Atma's Impaler]] Situational Item Unless he has a pure offense item as the last item, that seems pretty tanky to me. Also, how does atrimog's have more damage? 30 damage from TF, like 50 from Warmog's + Atma's. I'm gonna just stick with my BT + Maw + GA, and be nice and defensive while still being able to heal for like 100 health per hit.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Defensive items are everytime situational. You can consider items like [[frozen heart]], [[guardian angel]], [[force of nature]], [[quicksilver sash]], [[randuin's omen]]. You could even use [[shurelya's reverie]] to close the gap. If you feel you are winning, you can also option for items like [[maw of malmortius]] and [[wit's end]]. Atrimog's+[[mercury's treads]] is just the core, after that, you can build pretty much anything.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]Well, the normal sort of build you would have, if you had to provide for most situations. Also, do you normally go tanky afterwards or just build some offense?[/quote]

[quote=Beleren]Darius with [[Trinity force]] does a lot of damage. even without a lot of damage with 40% CDR you can spam your W every second so thats 100% extra damage + 150% extra base damage. Plus you're hitting fast and with other items like [[infinity edge]] and [[Phantom Dancer]] you should crit quite often between the 1 second cool down[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=NicknameMy] Survive a full teamfight with medium damage is better than dying instantly with high damage. [/quote] Yes, for Darius, no doubt. [quote=NicknameMy] [[Lee sin]] has great ratios aswell, still everyone (who plays serious) builds him tanky. His high cc helps him at that. [/quote] Eh. Can't say this about Lee Sin though. It's not true.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]The build which i'm quite succesfull with is: Boots+4 [[Doran's blade]] 1 or 2, idc. [[Heart of gold]] [[Phage]] [[Randuin's omen]] [[Trinity force]] [[Maw of malmortius]] throw an aegis or shurelyas in there somewhere if your support/jungler doesn't get it.[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=Pølsemanden] throw an aegis or shurelyas in there somewhere if your support/jungler doesn't get it. [/quote] Hell, you can get Shurelya's even if your support does. Unless you activate at the same time, they'll stack just fine.[/quote]