is this a good build for Ryze?

[quote=MrCuddowls]Boots - Situational Rod of Ages Zhonya's Hourglass Rabadon Deathcap Void Staff Rylai's Crystal Scepter Sell Boots buy Lich bane Please give a deep explanation of why you think an item will not work on him.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Not really, no. Even with the most recent changes, you deal about the same, if not more damage, with a really mana heavy build. Also, you're going to run out of mana super fast. Usual build gets [[tear of the goddess]], something that builds from [[catalyst the protector]] and [[glacial shroud]]. This gives you a good mana pool and you're pretty tanky to make up for your low-ish range. Void staff is still a "yes" though.[/quote]

[quote=MrCuddowls]so should i switch the Lich Bane or the Crystal Scepter For the Glacial Shroud[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]You're not understanding it seems. Ryze is Tanky-DPS. Mage style. He gets a free 10% CDR from his Q. We're going to leave it at that for now. Moving on to your items, he's getting 0% bonus CDR. 10% if you choose to get [[elixir of brilliance]] later on sitting you at 20%. While this isn't bad, your passive won't give you enough "free CDR" to do the 'DPS' portion of 'Tanky-DPS' Those items that you have listed up there are also having you sit on the squishier side of a mage. With a little armor from [[Zhonya's hourglass]] and a smidgen of MR from [[Lich bane]], if you get that far, all you have is HP to make your escapes with. This'll let pretty much any champ who gets in range kill you without a second thought. Secondly, if you swapped out the [[Rylai's Crystal scepter]] for [[Glacial shroud]]-->[[Frozen heart]], you would have the CDR, but not the mana pool to do a decent QRQWQEQ combo every time it's up without basing frequently. (That's not the exact combo order, but it's close enough.) While [[Rod of ages]] is an appropriate replacement for the usual [[banshee's veil]], it means you have to try just a little bit harder to win trades because you don't have that extra MR and the free spell block. End game, I think your build should look something liker this: Situational boots, [[Frozen heart]], [[Archangel's staff]], Something built from [[catalyst the protector]], [[Void staff]], [[Rabadon's deathcap]]/[[Will of the ancients]] W/e masteries you feel comfortable with too.[/quote]

[quote=MrCuddowls]Thanks for the explanation i fixed it up, the Lich bane replaces the boots and i wont lose all my speed because it does have a 7 percent speed boost Boots - Situational Rod of Ages Archangel's Staff Rabadon Deathcap Void Staff Frozen Heart Sell Boots, buy Lich bane[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]You're still losing move speed. Any boots that give movement 2 give 70 move speed. [[Boots of speed]] give you 35. If you have no boots and a Lich bane instead, you're only getting about 21 move speed. To put that in perspective, a Master Yi with about 3% move speed ([[tailwind]] or something)and no boots can outrun you. He could outrun you with 1% bonus move speed even. Boots are not a thing to sell. Ever.[/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]it's okay. though i disagree with rylai's personally. however, i do strongly disagree with selling boots for lich bane. have you seen ryze's AA animation? also, ryze spam spells. stopping to AA will decrease your dmg output.[/quote]

[quote=Razormaul]You need boots at end game,movement speed too good.And you need frozen heart on ryze and tear of the goddess[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999][quote=Lugignaf] You're not understanding it seems. Ryze is Tanky-DPS. Mage style. He gets a free 10% CDR from his Q. We're going to leave it at that for now. Moving on to your items, he's getting 0% bonus CDR. 10% if you choose to get [[elixir of brilliance]] later on sitting you at 20%. While this isn't bad, your passive won't give you enough "free CDR" to do the 'DPS' portion of 'Tanky-DPS' Those items that you have listed up there are also having you sit on the squishier side of a mage. With a little armor from [[Zhonya's hourglass]] and a smidgen of MR from [[Lich bane]], if you get that far, all you have is HP to make your escapes with. This'll let pretty much any champ who gets in range kill you without a second thought. Secondly, if you swapped out the [[Rylai's Crystal scepter]] for [[Glacial shroud]]-->[[Frozen heart]], you would have the CDR, but not the mana pool to do a decent QRQWQEQ combo every time it's up without basing frequently. (That's not the exact combo order, but it's close enough.) While [[Rod of ages]] is an appropriate replacement for the usual [[banshee's veil]], it means you have to try just a little bit harder to win trades because you don't have that extra MR and the free spell block. End game, I think your build should look something liker this: Situational boots, [[Frozen heart]], [[Archangel's staff]], Something built from [[catalyst the protector]], [[Void staff]], [[Rabadon's deathcap]]/[[Will of the ancients]] W/e masteries you feel comfortable with too. [/quote] 9/0/21 masterues + [[Frozen Heart]] + [[Overload]] gives 40% CDR. Ryze scales exceptionally with mana, and it's one of the main reasons he's so strong. He can build really defensively, and still get a bunch of damage. [[Lich Bane]] is terrible. You are stacking mana, so the AP proc is next to useless, and you spam a bunch anyways so you lose 2/3 of the procs anyways. You need to understand that you don't build Ryze as an AP carry in the traditional sense. No Deathcap, no Zhonya's Hourglass, nothing. You stack mana. Most likely order: [[Sapphire Crystal]] + 2 [[Health Potion]]s [[Catalyst the Protector]] + [[Boots of speed]] [[Tear of the Goddess]] [[Rod of Ages]] [[Glacial Shroud]] or [[Negatron Cloak]] [[Frozen Heart]] or [[Banshee's Veil]] [[Frozen Heart]] or [[Banshee's Veil]] (get the one you didn't before) [[Will of the Ancients]] [[Archangel's Staff]] Final build: [[Sorcerer's Shoes]] -- Standard Mage Boots. [[Rod of Ages]] -- Gives enough mana + health to make you tanky and gives you good damage. [[Frozen Heart]] -- Gives you a ton of armor, plus a ton of mana = Great damage and survivability. [[Banshee's Veil]] -- You have enough armor, time to get some magic resist; same theme with mana. [[Archangel's Staff]] -- This is purely for damage and mana; you'll probably get a bunch of damage from this. [[Will of the Ancients]] -- Spellvamp + [[Desperate Power]] = super regen. Situationals: [[Void Staff]] -- Probably want this at some point, but I don't know where to fit it. Possibly replace [[Will of the Ancients]]. [[Abyssal Scepter]] -- Good alternative to [[Void Staff]] if you need more magic resist. [[Deathfire Grasp]] -- A nice burst before you unleash your ridiculously long combo.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Rylai's is good on Ryze now but only as like a 4th item or something. Good options include; RoA, Abyssal, Frozen heart, Rabadon's, DFG, Lich Bane, Void Staff, WotA, Merc, Ninja Tabi, Sorc shoes.[/quote]