Mobafire League of Legends Build Guides Mobafire League of Legends Build Guides
's Forum Avatar

is this a good build for Ryze?

Creator: MrCuddowls June 10, 2012 7:03pm
1 2
MrCuddowls
<Member>
MrCuddowls's Forum Avatar
Show more awards
Posts:
1733
Joined:
May 31st, 2012
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend June 10, 2012 7:03pm | Report
Boots - Situational
Rod of Ages
Zhonya's Hourglass
Rabadon Deathcap
Void Staff
Rylai's Crystal Scepter
Sell Boots buy Lich bane

Please give a deep explanation of why you think an item will not work on him.
Lugignaf
<Moderator>
Lugignaf's Forum Avatar
Show more awards
Posts:
10967
Joined:
Feb 8th, 2011
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend June 10, 2012 7:05pm | Report
Not really, no.

Even with the most recent changes, you deal about the same, if not more damage, with a really mana heavy build. Also, you're going to run out of mana super fast.

Usual build gets Tear of the Goddess, something that builds from catalyst the protector and Glacial Shroud.

This gives you a good mana pool and you're pretty tanky to make up for your low-ish range.

Void staff is still a "yes" though.
True love is found only in yourself.
MrCuddowls
<Member>
MrCuddowls's Forum Avatar
Show more awards
Posts:
1733
Joined:
May 31st, 2012
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend June 10, 2012 7:10pm | Report
so should i switch the Lich Bane or the Crystal Scepter For the Glacial Shroud
Lugignaf
<Moderator>
Lugignaf's Forum Avatar
Show more awards
Posts:
10967
Joined:
Feb 8th, 2011
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend June 10, 2012 7:23pm | Report
You're not understanding it seems.

Ryze is Tanky-DPS. Mage style.

He gets a free 10% CDR from his Q. We're going to leave it at that for now.

Moving on to your items, he's getting 0% bonus CDR. 10% if you choose to get Elixir of Brilliance later on sitting you at 20%. While this isn't bad, your passive won't give you enough "free CDR" to do the 'DPS' portion of 'Tanky-DPS'

Those items that you have listed up there are also having you sit on the squishier side of a mage. With a little armor from Zhonya's Hourglass and a smidgen of MR from Lich Bane, if you get that far, all you have is HP to make your escapes with. This'll let pretty much any champ who gets in range kill you without a second thought.

Secondly, if you swapped out the Rylai's Crystal Scepter for Glacial Shroud--> Frozen Heart, you would have the CDR, but not the mana pool to do a decent QRQWQEQ combo every time it's up without basing frequently. (That's not the exact combo order, but it's close enough.)

While Rod of Ages is an appropriate replacement for the usual Banshee's Veil, it means you have to try just a little bit harder to win trades because you don't have that extra MR and the free spell block.

End game, I think your build should look something liker this: Situational boots, Frozen Heart, Archangel's Staff, Something built from catalyst the protector, Void Staff, Rabadon's Deathcap/ Will of the Ancients

W/e masteries you feel comfortable with too.
MrCuddowls
<Member>
MrCuddowls's Forum Avatar
Show more awards
Posts:
1733
Joined:
May 31st, 2012
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend June 10, 2012 7:45pm | Report
Thanks for the explanation
i fixed it up, the Lich bane replaces the boots and i wont lose all my speed because it does have a 7 percent speed boost


Boots - Situational
Rod of Ages
Archangel's Staff
Rabadon Deathcap
Void Staff
Frozen Heart
Sell Boots, buy Lich bane
Lugignaf
<Moderator>
Lugignaf's Forum Avatar
Show more awards
Posts:
10967
Joined:
Feb 8th, 2011
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend June 10, 2012 8:19pm | Report
You're still losing move speed.

Any boots that give movement 2 give 70 move speed.
Boots of Speed give you 35.

If you have no boots and a Lich bane instead, you're only getting about 21 move speed.

To put that in perspective, a Master Yi with about 3% move speed ( Tailwind or something)and no boots can outrun you.

He could outrun you with 1% bonus move speed even. Boots are not a thing to sell. Ever.
True love is found only in yourself.
A Chubby Baby
<Veteran>
A Chubby Baby's Forum Avatar
Show more awards
Posts:
3936
Joined:
Feb 14th, 2012
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend June 11, 2012 2:58am | Report
it's okay. though i disagree with rylai's personally. however, i do strongly disagree with selling boots for lich bane. have you seen ryze's AA animation? also, ryze spam spells. stopping to AA will decrease your dmg output.
Razormaul
<Member>
Razormaul's Forum Avatar
Posts:
123
Joined:
Jun 4th, 2012
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend June 11, 2012 11:03am | Report
You need boots at end game,movement speed too good.And you need frozen heart on ryze and tear of the goddess
Looking for guides for junglers? Check out my guides for, Alistar, Nautilus and Maokai.
Please vote and comment. Thank you!
Jpikachu1999
<Scout>
Jpikachu1999's Forum Avatar
Show more awards
Posts:
1425
Joined:
Dec 19th, 2011
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend June 11, 2012 10:23pm | Report
Lugignaf wrote:

You're not understanding it seems.

Ryze is Tanky-DPS. Mage style.

He gets a free 10% CDR from his Q. We're going to leave it at that for now.

Moving on to your items, he's getting 0% bonus CDR. 10% if you choose to get Elixir of Brilliance later on sitting you at 20%. While this isn't bad, your passive won't give you enough "free CDR" to do the 'DPS' portion of 'Tanky-DPS'

Those items that you have listed up there are also having you sit on the squishier side of a mage. With a little armor from Zhonya's Hourglass and a smidgen of MR from Lich Bane, if you get that far, all you have is HP to make your escapes with. This'll let pretty much any champ who gets in range kill you without a second thought.

Secondly, if you swapped out the Rylai's Crystal Scepter for Glacial Shroud--> Frozen Heart, you would have the CDR, but not the mana pool to do a decent QRQWQEQ combo every time it's up without basing frequently. (That's not the exact combo order, but it's close enough.)

While Rod of Ages is an appropriate replacement for the usual Banshee's Veil, it means you have to try just a little bit harder to win trades because you don't have that extra MR and the free spell block.

End game, I think your build should look something liker this: Situational boots, Frozen Heart, Archangel's Staff, Something built from catalyst the protector, Void Staff, Rabadon's Deathcap/ Will of the Ancients

W/e masteries you feel comfortable with too.


9/0/21 masterues + Frozen Heart + Overload gives 40% CDR.

Ryze scales exceptionally with mana, and it's one of the main reasons he's so strong. He can build really defensively, and still get a bunch of damage.

Lich Bane is terrible. You are stacking mana, so the AP proc is next to useless, and you spam a bunch anyways so you lose 2/3 of the procs anyways.

You need to understand that you don't build Ryze as an AP carry in the traditional sense. No Deathcap, no Zhonya's Hourglass, nothing. You stack mana.

Most likely order:

Sapphire Crystal + 2 Health Potions
Catalyst the Protector + Boots of Speed
Tear of the Goddess
Rod of Ages
Glacial Shroud or Negatron Cloak
Frozen Heart or Banshee's Veil
Frozen Heart or Banshee's Veil (get the one you didn't before)
Will of the Ancients
Archangel's Staff

Final build:

Sorcerer's Shoes -- Standard Mage Boots.
Rod of Ages -- Gives enough mana + health to make you tanky and gives you good damage.
Frozen Heart -- Gives you a ton of armor, plus a ton of mana = Great damage and survivability.
Banshee's Veil -- You have enough armor, time to get some magic resist; same theme with mana.
Archangel's Staff -- This is purely for damage and mana; you'll probably get a bunch of damage from this.
Will of the Ancients -- Spellvamp + Desperate Power = super regen.

Situationals:

Void Staff -- Probably want this at some point, but I don't know where to fit it. Possibly replace Will of the Ancients.
Abyssal Mask -- Good alternative to Void Staff if you need more magic resist.
Deathfire Grasp -- A nice burst before you unleash your ridiculously long combo.

If I helped you, click that +rep!
DuffTime
<Member>
DuffTime's Forum Avatar
Show more awards
Posts:
12302
Joined:
Oct 31st, 2010
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend June 12, 2012 3:35am | Report
Rylai's is good on Ryze now but only as like a 4th item or something.

Good options include;

RoA, Abyssal, Frozen heart, Rabadon's, DFG, Lich Bane, Void Staff, WotA, Merc, Ninja Tabi, Sorc shoes.
Learn the true S3 op, Tryndamere!
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/duffs-season-3-hamdamere-296968
Best Aatrox in The world, with a Video Guide!
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/duffs-336706
Like my official DuffTime Facebook page! http://www.facebook.com/DuffTime
Follow me on Twitter, @RealDuffTime
Come hang out when I'm streaming! http://www.twitch.tv/dufftime
1 2

You need to log in before commenting.