The Zac Theorycrafting Thread

[quote=NicknameMy]So, first datas are out here: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Zac I would say he is a similar version to [[malphite]], which scales better with AP and has HP as cost system instead of mana. His jungling should be very strong. He shouldn't stack armor, he should stack HP for defense. His base health is very good, at the top of the list. Also: 12.5 (+0.55) HP/5, basically the highest in the game. This means, he will only have sustain problems if he doesn't use his passive. Of course, an early [[hextech revolver]] is a must, similar to [[mordekaiser]] or [[vladimir]]. Other items I would get should favor AP and HP, namely [[rylai's crystal scepter]] and [[liandry's torment]]. Of course, league of [[warmog's armor]], especially because you will need the passive. [[spirit visage]] is a must have aswell because it scales with his passive, high base regen and [[warmog's armor]]. For boots, either [[sorcerer's shoes]] for offense or [[ninja tabi]]/[[mercury's treads]] for defense. On him, I would upgrade [[hextech revolver]] into [[will of the ancients]], because he is more orientated into helping his team rather than profit for himself. Or sell it for [[randuin's omen]] later.[/quote]

[quote=DKitten]I think he's more like [[Amumu]], myself. He's got a long range engagement, a CC AoE ultimate, a % max HP skill...but I think he should stack armor and HP. His skills don't have a static HP cost like other champions do; they're based off % current HP, which means it won't hurt to build armor.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]But HP would scale with the max HP passive, with [[warmog's armor]] passive which then scales with [[spirit visage]], which gives HP aswell. [[randuin's omen]] or [[sunfire cape]] should be enough for armor. Or [[locket of the iron solari]] if you like that more.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Visage, Rylais, SFC. -claps hands- We're done here.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]all costs in %hp really hurt and will make him have a hard balance, like [[mundo]]. either way. [[Spirit Visage]] sounds interesting. i really don't see AP so profitable, except for [[Abyssal Scepter]] also the gains from his passive don't make up for his ability costs. i think it will be changed.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]How is he anything like Malphite. Lol.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]When i built him I just did a "[[malphite]]" build of sunfire abyssal and crap like that. Seemed to work out fine.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Pheyniex] also the gains from his passive don't make up for his ability costs. i think it will be changed. [/quote] Why would they? I mean, if you want the skill costs to feel impactful, of course your passive isn't going to recover all of the cost. Just remember, if you hit multiple enemies, it drops multiple chunks.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Look at every other health champ though, [[Vladimir]] has tiny tiny health costs. Atleast I never notice them. [[Dr. Mundo]] only really burns health when he leaves his fire on forever and then he has a massive healing steroid he doesnt have to move around for. I feel like Zac's passive and health costs are counter-intuitive to what he is; a tank.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=Pheyniex] also the gains from his passive don't make up for his ability costs. i think it will be changed. [/quote] Why would they? I mean, if you want the skill costs to feel impactful, of course your passive isn't going to recover all of the cost. Just remember, if you hit multiple enemies, it drops multiple chunks. [/quote] from what i saw in the vids, that is not true, although the text seems to imply otherwise. ganking at extreme, demanding a 12%hp upfront to recover 4%, is rather stupid. not to speak of the remaining 10% of the other 2 abilities. you'll have a deficit of 10%hp, regardless the laner hitting you or not. better nerf [[Irelia]]... and not gank. edit: fun fact 1, seems that he has double [[Mundo]]'s base hp regen. [[Warmog's Armor]]+[[Spirit Visage]] please. fun fact 2, riot's only multiplicative factor seems to be 2.[/quote]