The answer to Blade of the Ruined King

[quote=Embracing]Randuin's is the best counter to BOTRK. What else is there to discuss? BTW I thnk bt + botrk is the best combo atm for adcs for mid game deeps (correct me if im wrong) and botrk rush is situational and decent. you can then build on into ie and other stuff[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=OTGBionicArm] Well I used to think "W is the best DPS, always do W max." I was very single minded about it. Now I just max Q if I need more burst with a kill support, or if Im with a poke support, which is 80% of the time. Plus I hate rushing [[Infinity edge]] which is part of the W max build. XD [/quote] W max sucks ballz. You go Q for damage or E for utility. I don't play much ad-carry but i don't get a 2nd point in W till lvl 10.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Well, all and all, W max is his highest DPS output. Providing you are consistently auto attacking and proccing blights at 3 stacks. Q max can be bad if you either can't hit the target easily ([[ezreal]]) or you're against people that are going to actually fight you to the death, because if you're maxing Q and trying to charge it, that gives them time to out damage you. But anyway back to the original topic, I love Blade and generally get it as my second item on every adc. Well, needs moar testing on [[Draven]] but I assume it's awesome because lifesteal.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Ehh, W max is only mathematical (highest dps for flat autoattacks together) but no one is gonna trade aa's with you so in the end e and q are better (burst is what varus is known for) (i think u know this already but im just saying this for people who dont know)[/quote]

[quote=DarkPercy][[bloodthirster]] + [[blade of the ruined king]] will not give you the best DPS at all lol. Not even close. It's really only for the 33% lifesteal + Botrk active to 1v1 anyone.[/quote]

[quote=Fangride][quote=BusDriver210] [quote=Pølsemanden] Do you mean that the 30% of the botrk passive damage is returned to the ad-carry? If not, thornmail doesn't counter botrk then botrk counters thornmail lel. [/quote] [[Thornmail]] does not return on hit effects. [/quote] This is correct. I do not believe Blade's effect is affected by Thormail at all.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=BusDriver210] [icon=Randuin's Omen size=128] //thread. [/quote] singed (I was going to explain that Randuins is much better than Thornmail but this was well played.)[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=Embracing] but no one is gonna trade aa's with you [/quote] not on your elo, certainly... =3[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Wait. People max something other than E on Varus?[/quote]

[quote=More Waffles]I think what the original intent on the Thornmail's over Randuin's isn't because of the passive or damage type dealt. The point of the percent health damage being physical was to say that the 100 armor from Thornmail would mitigate some of the damage dealt. I would agree that Frozen Heart is a better counter than Randuin's for BotRK. Randuin's adds additional health (which increases the percent damage dealt by BotRK), grants a 15% AS reduction (as opposed to Frozen Heart's 20%), and only grants 70 armor compared to Frozen Heart's 95 Armor.[/quote]