Tiger Stance Udyr theorycrafting

[quote=NicknameMy]So, finally, the [[udyr]] change is here: [[Tiger stance]] Now deals physical damage. Total AD now scales 120/130/140/150/160 % Active AS is now 30/40/50/60/70 % New persistent effect: Bonus physical damage which is 15% of total AD. One item I want to give into the round directly: [[muramana]]. Now is your time.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Yeah, seems like [[Muramana]] might be very worthwhile. However, stacking that [[Tear of the goddess]] should be a bitch on [[Udyr]]. Waiting 3 seconds between switching stances is not exactly ideal, especially when clearing jungle or engaging enemies. I'd probably skip [[Muramana]] and build him more straightforwardish as an AD Bruiser. That is, until you show me the epicness of that build. =)[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, at least you will never have any mana problems. I thought of building [[crystalline flask]]->[[tear of the goddess]]->[[catalyst the protector]] to give nearly unlimited mana. After that a [[glacial shroud]] also works well. Later I would build those items into [[manamune]]/[[muramana]], [[banshee'S veil]], [[frozen heart]], get [[mercury's treads]] for boots, [[frozen mallet]] for HP, AD and more sticking power and, of course, [[the black cleaver]]. Not this order, of course.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Why [[Frozen Heart]]? If you're building [[Muramana]] your mana problems are history. So, with your reasoning I'd go for something like [[Mercury's Treads]], [[Frozen Mallet]], [[The Black Cleaver]], [[Muramana]], [[Randuin's Omen]] and [[Spirit Visage]] or [[Runic Bulwark]] (if top/support don't take it). Probably in that order as well.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]To gain more AD in order to make [[tiger stance]] stronger. Also make [[Muramana]] toggle stronger, since that is mainly your dmg lategame. (1700+220+30*18)*0.06=147.6 Bonus damage full mana Muramana (1700+220+30*18)*0.02=49.2 Bonus AD Muramana 105+49.2+52.91+3.2*18=264.71 Full AD 264.71*1.6+230=653.536 Tiger Stance with full AD 264.71+264.71*0.15=304.4165 1 hit while tiger stance with full AD 304.4165+147.6=452.0165 1 hit while tiger stance with full AD + Muramana with full mana 452.0165+653.536=1105.5525 1 hit dmg of tiger stance at everything full BTW: Tiger is top?[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Makes sense. Given that you already have slow with the mallet, I guess going with the heart instead of Randuin's is good.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Stop with the [[Tear of the Goddess]] on Udyr. Catalyst ==> BV should solve your mana problems, and now you have free reign to go Cleaver ==> Whisper. Tear is already very situational, and once you get to endgame, you are going to have more mana than you'll need, ever, if you go Manamune, FH. If you're having lane mana troubles, Philo stone+catalyst. Boom, there ya go. Items that are infinitely better than Tear on Udyr.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]I agree with Lugignaf that tear is a very questionable buy on Udyr. I don't understand the people who seem to buy it on every champion. Udyr doesn't need a very large mana pool, his spells are insanely cheap. The time it would take to charge tear would mean you don't need it anymore. [[The Black Cleaver]] is looking nice. That and a [[Last Whisper]]. Edit: You also want to prioritize CDR on Udyr. The more turtle shields you pop in fights, the better.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Means [[spirit visage]], which also increases the turtle heal. This + [[the black cleaver]] and you got enough CDR. I would also get [[blade of the ruined king]] cuz hey, if you get items like that you also get this. For armor you got your [[randuin's omen]] or even [[thornmail]] as this scales well with your shield. Earlygame, the mana problems of Udyr are way to high, any good strategy for that without getting [[catalyst the protector]]? [[chalice of harmony]]? Also [[philosopher's stone]] isn't that great as it doesn't build into a item which is on [[Udyr]]'s standards.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Last game on him I went straight for a [[Aegis of the legion]], sacrificing damage output early and sticking with Turtle/Bear combos. Didn't kill, didn't die, assisted a whole lot. This made mana manageable at first. Then got [[Mercury's Treads]] and [[Sunfire Cape]], which helped me get some kills in. By this point I had some points invested in Tiger as well, so mana became a little more problematic as the fighting wore on, because I wanted to abuse the passive. That's when I was torn between [[Frozen Heart]] and [[Iceborn Gauntlet]]. Before I made up my mind game finished and I was 5/7/21. Tankdyr ftw. Weird build, I know. The answer in this situation would be just buying a [[Glacial Shroud]] earlier and then make the decision based on how the game is turning out. Or maybe a [[Sheen]] to go for the gauntlets or [[Trinity Force]].[/quote]