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Suppose a 2v2 fight goes on bot lane. The Blue Team's adc and the Purple Team's support kill each other, while the other two champs remain alive and with enough HP to stay in lane. Who wins the trade?
On one hand, the Blue adc got a kill, but on the other hand, he will miss out on cs/experience.
Sometimes there are situations when I'm playing as support, and I could flash + dive the enemy AD and kill him, but I will certainly die. Typically, I will play safe and not make that kind of play, but I've always thought about it.
On one hand, the Blue adc got a kill, but on the other hand, he will miss out on cs/experience.
Sometimes there are situations when I'm playing as support, and I could flash + dive the enemy AD and kill him, but I will certainly die. Typically, I will play safe and not make that kind of play, but I've always thought about it.
Lisk wrote:
Suppose a 2v2 fight goes on bot lane. The Blue Team's adc and the Purple Team's support kill each other, while the other two champs remain alive and with enough HP to stay in lane. Who wins the trade?
On one hand, the Blue adc got a kill, but on the other hand, he will miss out on cs/experience.
Sometimes there are situations when I'm playing as support, and I could flash + dive the enemy AD and kill him, but I will certainly die. Typically, I will play safe and not make that kind of play, but I've always thought about it.
Wooo! This is my area \m/ Bot lane Main 5lyfe. Anywho, let's start off with what team got the most worth out of this scenario. Blue Team's ADC just netted either first blood or 300 gold, and the purple team support just got 300 gold or first blood, BUT THEIR ADC ONLY GOT HALF! From the start of this scenario, the Blue Team won the trade, however, if the purple teams ADC stays to get enough gold to equate to that 150 or 200 more gold to make the gold amount of the kill the same, then all the sudden purple team won the trade. When you trade an ADC for a Support, whichever ADC gets the kill wins that exact trade. It's like chess, would you really trade your Queen for a pawn?
And just realize, when you want to flash dive an ADC but sacrifice your life to do it, that's another how much gold for the other adc? It's a terrible thing to do, just puts the ADC further ahead. Also, take note that when you play as a support, if your ADC is dead before theirs, you failed somehow lol (that's how I see it when I let my ADC die xD)
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OTGBionicArm wrote:
Didn't we do bot lane already?
Anyway,
Braum. What do you think of him and what tier will he likely end up?Any thoughts about him, such as trading, peeling, laning. :D
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OTGBionicArm wrote:
Didn't we do bot lane already?
Anyway,
Braum. What do you think of him and what tier will he likely end up?Any thoughts about him, such as trading, peeling, laning. :D
I'm feeling the Yasuo/Thresh treatment is gonna happen to him. Uber good, terrible players, all the sudden community loves him and he's broke, lasts all but 2 months, nerfratiti. Still broke as hell though, more nerfs, nerf so hard irelia wants to find you. Still in good standing and then all the dedicated lovers of the mustache god Braum will play him. *thumbs up*
In terms of thoughts on him, I think he might be one of those champions that really works well with duo queuers or just premades in general for everything. When Riot releases these champs that require team coordination to use and abuse effectively, they tend to do it with premades in mind moreso than solo queue, we'll see how that turns out for him.
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I don't see how Braum would be uber good.
- You have no poke or damaging abilities
- Poor CC and initiation with Q pre 6.
- No sustain or real presence for ADC.
- Will most likely be pushed to tower.
- Countered hard by rising popularity of "mid lane supports". Zyra, Karma, Lulu, Vel'Koz. Carry supports are the weakest early on due being vulnerable to CC or insta burst but you can't offer any of that with Braum.
- Very situational. Only good vs some tanky CC supports like Thresh but even then I think Morgana would be better and you certainly can't run aggressive AD carries with him but the problem with passive AD carries is that you are pushed and maybe even zoned out most of the time.
I may be too rough on Braum. I think he will be OK tier 2 support. I've only tried him out in PBE where players generally suck and everything is laggy so I must try him more after public release.
I expect trading with Braum to be most of the times very poor. Trades will most likely go like: Your ADC is out of position a little. You jump in to shield damage and hope to land a Q and disengage. Any good bot laners won't go all-in melee range against Braum if poking works more than well.
Peeling should be actually quite OK if ad carry knows how to kite properly.
Team fights are his strongest position to be in I think. Trying to not fall behind in laning phase too much is the hardest thing to do though so you can properly rotate mid lane and do well in team fights.
Braum would be uber good.- You have no poke or damaging abilities
- Poor CC and initiation with Q pre 6.
- No sustain or real presence for ADC.
- Will most likely be pushed to tower.
- Countered hard by rising popularity of "mid lane supports".
Zyra, Karma, Lulu, Vel'Koz. Carry supports are the weakest early on due being vulnerable to CC or insta burst but you can't offer any of that with Braum.- Very situational. Only good vs some tanky CC supports like
Thresh but even then I think Morgana would be better and you certainly can't run aggressive AD carries with him but the problem with passive AD carries is that you are pushed and maybe even zoned out most of the time.I may be too rough on
Braum. I think he will be OK tier 2 support. I've only tried him out in PBE where players generally suck and everything is laggy so I must try him more after public release.I expect trading with
Braum to be most of the times very poor. Trades will most likely go like: Your ADC is out of position a little. You jump in to shield damage and hope to land a Q and disengage. Any good bot laners won't go all-in melee range against Braum if poking works more than well.Peeling should be actually quite OK if ad carry knows how to kite properly.
Team fights are his strongest position to be in I think. Trying to not fall behind in laning phase too much is the hardest thing to do though so you can properly rotate mid lane and do well in team fights.
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