A question about Tankplank....

[quote=PsiGuard]So I recently bought [[Gangplank]] because I did quite well with him last time he was on rotation. I've been looking through the forums, and I hear a lot of people recommending an atmog's build, but neglecting a triforce or infinity edge. My question is, why is "Tankplank" such a better choice than a simple DPS/crit build? I don't see many [[Tryndamere]] builds going atmogs for tanky offense (granted, Trynd has his OP ult). The build I usually use goes something like this: [[Doran's Shield]] [[Boots of Speed]] [[Avarice Blade]] [[Sheen]] [[B. F. Sword]] [[Boots of Swiftness]] [[Infinity Edge]] [[Phantom Dancer]] [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] [[Trinity Force]] [[The Bloodthirster]] or [[Last Whisper]] (if they stack armor) I know some of these items aren't always ideal (Last Whisper conflicts a bit with the flat arpen from Ghostblade), but I'm not really asking for a criticism of my build. I'm wondering what why a more offensive build like this is less effective than warmogs+atma's+veil. As a crit-monster, shouldn't Gangplank be aiming for as much damage potential as possible, harrassing with parrrley then springing in for the kill? Is he an offtank? Or are both of these builds equally viable and I'm imagining that no one else builds him glass dps?[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]He's not really an off-tank. According to League, he a carry. He does crazy damage and, he only really needs one defensive item.[/quote]

[quote=Keels]Yeah, shoot for a [[banshee's veil]]. Really, tankplank is too much of a sacrifice of damage. Atmogs doesn't help with [[parrrley]], I don't think, because it doesn't increase your damage, it's just the stat is applied on your attacks, but not counted in your attack score. Either that, or [[atma's impaler]] is the weirdest worded item in the game. I think my build is a decent mix of versatility, survivability, and damage. [[phantom dancer]][[infinity edge]][[boots of mobility]][[the bloodthirster]][[last whisper]][[banshee's veil]] Gangplank is not an offtank. Build a decent amount of defense, but focusing on defense kinda makes you worthless. I really don't think "tankplank" is the better choice to dps/crit.[/quote]

[quote=Keels]Or you could try thisun: [[banshee's veil]][[trinity force]][[manamune]][[the black cleaver]][[the bloodthirster]][[ninja tabi]][/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Keels] Or you could try thisun: [[banshee's veil]][[trinity force]][[manamune]][[the black cleaver]][[the bloodthirster]][[ninja tabi]][/quote] Fail [quote]Atmogs doesn't help with Parrrley, I don't think, because it doesn't increase your damage, it's just the stat is applied on your attacks, but not counted in your attack score.[/quote] Bigger fail[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]As Searz so eloquently put, I'm pretty sure atmogs increases your attack damage value. The in-game stat on your champion changes, just like building an [[Archangel's Staff]]. Also, I will never build a [[Manamune]] on Gangplank as I think it is a great big waste of money, since I rarely have any mana problems. Not a fan of [[The Black Cleaver]] either since I play more bursty crit and less sustained DPS. [[The Black Cleaver]] is better suited to a champion (or player) who relies more on autoattacks. Searz, I think I've seen you recommend a tankier gangplank once before. Is there a good reason that this build is used?[/quote]

[quote=RoIand#64773]As long as you can get a lotta farm going for you (using parley for dat extra gold) tankplank is really viable. Atmogs make you tanky, gives you attack, and crit chance to boot. After that I would probably get a BT or Triforce sometime and another item of your choice/[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK][quote=Searz] [quote=Keels] Or you could try thisun: [[banshee's veil]][[trinity force]][[manamune]][[the black cleaver]][[the bloodthirster]][[ninja tabi]][/quote] Fail [quote]Atmogs doesn't help with Parrrley, I don't think, because it doesn't increase your damage, it's just the stat is applied on your attacks, but not counted in your attack score.[/quote] Bigger fail [/quote] I was thinking the same thing when glancing through lol... tanky plank is AWESOME...and he still carries mercs IE TF 2 tanky items (SFC and BV) atma build Chandro told me and it seems to work wonders, in game and mathematically think of it you are survivable, especially with ur W cleanse atma scales off AD from SFC and BV so you get +50 ish with that (you don't need Warmog to warrant an atma's, lol) proc from TF with parley, sooo sexy (plus its stats ofc) mercs for ultimate CC reduce and IE for crit chance, AD, and passive ofc 60%ish crit chance use your E for more Ad around 300 AD with E crit parley with this build, over 1k damage if you E first since you will get crit ofc, with IE passive, plus parley's damage, plus TF proc = win nuff said.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]No room for arpen in that build, but I'm sure I could take out banshee's veil or something if need be. I think I would still take warmogs over sunfire cape though, as I'm not always in the fray enough for the aura to be useful, plus I get armor from atma's. Not to mention Gangplank farms like a beast by midgame, so warmog's is quite easy to stack up. What about attack speed though? Especially with his new stacking poison, this build doesn't seem to offer a lot of AS, just the Zeal from triforce. Seems pretty good in theory. I might keep this build in reserve in case my team's lacking in CC or a tank or something. I still think I would opt for more crit and AS, but I'll definitely try out tankplank.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=wRAthoFVuLK] [quote=Searz] [quote=Keels] Or you could try thisun: [[banshee's veil]][[trinity force]][[manamune]][[the black cleaver]][[the bloodthirster]][[ninja tabi]][/quote] Fail [quote]Atmogs doesn't help with Parrrley, I don't think, because it doesn't increase your damage, it's just the stat is applied on your attacks, but not counted in your attack score.[/quote] Bigger fail[/quote] 2 tanky items (SFC and BV)[/quote] ...and BIGGEST FAIL! Nah, I just wanted to follow through on that :3 SFC works, but is suboptimal. You'll want Warmog or Ghostblade more. [quote=PsiGuard] What about attack speed though?[/quote] AS marks are great for junglers. You'll also pretty much have enough from just TF and the Ghostblade active. It's 55% combined after all. [quote]Searz, I think I've seen you recommend a tankier gangplank once before. Is there a good reason that this build is used?[/quote] He's melee. Sure Q, but it's not enough. Melee=needs bulk.[/quote]